We haven't had a really "great" one in a long time Are there any kids coming out of HS or the NCAA who look like they could be great marathoners if they move to it early enough?
In a long time? Remember that guy Galen Rupp? 2016 Olympic bronze, WMM silver at Chicago 2021. WMM silver Boston 2017, WMM gold Chicago 2017.
Who will next win an olympic medal in the marathon, win a world marathon major, and a couple other podium finishes at WMM races? I'm not sure, that's a pretty high bar.
In a long time? Remember that guy Galen Rupp? 2016 Olympic bronze, WMM silver at Chicago 2021. WMM silver Boston 2017, WMM gold Chicago 2017.
Who will next win an olympic medal in the marathon, win a world marathon major, and a couple other podium finishes at WMM races? I'm not sure, that's a pretty high bar.
We also had an Olympic silver medalist who won both Boston and NYC.
So OP must be thinking about someone better than those two. Either an Olympic gold medalist of a WR holder. I don't see any current American runner either winning the Olympics or breaking the WR.
In a long time? Remember that guy Galen Rupp? 2016 Olympic bronze, WMM silver at Chicago 2021. WMM silver Boston 2017, WMM gold Chicago 2017.
Who will next win an olympic medal in the marathon, win a world marathon major, and a couple other podium finishes at WMM races? I'm not sure, that's a pretty high bar.
We also had an Olympic silver medalist who won both Boston and NYC.
So OP must be thinking about someone better than those two. Either an Olympic gold medalist of a WR holder. I don't see any current American runner either winning the Olympics or breaking the WR.
I would be fine calling both Galen and Meb "great," but I can at least see an argument that you should be closeish to the wr to get that title. Rupp's pr was the only the 33'rd fastest time run that year and the 194th fastest time run before 2019, and nearly 4.5 minutes off from the record set that year.
The olympic marathon is also almost always super far from usual marathon conditions (being in the summer instead of the usual spring/fall season and having a limited field) and competition in the wmm is spread out enough that Rupp's results don't have the same weight as they would in track when calculating greatness. It would kinda be like having an indoor champs medal and a couple diamond league wins/podiums during a year with no outdoor championship. They might be great, but I think people would want some more evidence.
We also had an Olympic silver medalist who won both Boston and NYC.
So OP must be thinking about someone better than those two. Either an Olympic gold medalist of a WR holder. I don't see any current American runner either winning the Olympics or breaking the WR.
I would be fine calling both Galen and Meb "great," but I can at least see an argument that you should be closeish to the wr to get that title. Rupp's pr was the only the 33'rd fastest time run that year and the 194th fastest time run before 2019, and nearly 4.5 minutes off from the record set that year.
The olympic marathon is also almost always super far from usual marathon conditions (being in the summer instead of the usual spring/fall season and having a limited field) and competition in the wmm is spread out enough that Rupp's results don't have the same weight as they would in track when calculating greatness. It would kinda be like having an indoor champs medal and a couple diamond league wins/podiums during a year with no outdoor championship. They might be great, but I think people would want some more evidence.
Americans don't race many fast paced marathons so their times don't stack up. We don't go to Berlin because it's just not what Americans do, but when Americans (well Rupp) threw down in their prime they were in the mix.
I would be fine calling both Galen and Meb "great," but I can at least see an argument that you should be closeish to the wr to get that title. Rupp's pr was the only the 33'rd fastest time run that year and the 194th fastest time run before 2019, and nearly 4.5 minutes off from the record set that year.
The olympic marathon is also almost always super far from usual marathon conditions (being in the summer instead of the usual spring/fall season and having a limited field) and competition in the wmm is spread out enough that Rupp's results don't have the same weight as they would in track when calculating greatness. It would kinda be like having an indoor champs medal and a couple diamond league wins/podiums during a year with no outdoor championship. They might be great, but I think people would want some more evidence.
Americans don't race many fast paced marathons so their times don't stack up. We don't go to Berlin because it's just not what Americans do, but when Americans (well Rupp) threw down in their prime they were in the mix.
Also he ran 2:06 14 months ago right
Chicago has the women's record and Kimmeto's 2:03:45, so it's not like people can't run a top 100 time there. And maybe Rupp could have placed at Berlin or London, but he was too busy running US meets when the top talent was more focused on time trialing in europe (and that's more a criticism of the sport for not incentivizing decisive competition in the marathon than a criticism of Rupp)
Conner Mantz debuted with a 2:08.16 in Chicago and also ran his first half under 61 min. Not since Hall has anyone taken to the 1/2 and full so successfully from the US and at the tender age of 26 which leaves him lots of time to improve.
Grant Fisher will be a success at the marathon when he moves up, but he is going to stay on the track at least through OGs in 2024 and probably 2025 WCs.
id like to see him qualify for OT with a half and then make the team in his debut. Mantz is also legit. I believe Fisher will wait too long to move up.
I don't see one. I consider great to be winning gold in the Olympic marathon while also consistently winning majors for about 10 years. Jordan and Brady are great because they won for a long time.