People quick to defend Jordon Peterson when he's wrong

I think you missed what Peterson meant with the phrase “there’s a little bit of Hitler in everyone”. Power will corrupt just about everyone in some way or another. That being said, you can’t excuse bad behavior just because most people engage in some form of bad behavior, so I’m with you on that.

My opinion is that most tend to view American/Western politics like a sports team where you ought to always root for your team even in failure. This results in a bunch of angry 16-20 year olds that don’t understand the nuance of politics to worship right/left wing figures. This leads to the least researched members of each side to be the loudest and most belligerent which is really bad for society IMO.

Peterson has some really smart and insightful ideas, but he’s also very biased and steps away from logic and facts and falls deeply into opinion presented as facts in some areas. People who don’t understand the concept of logical fallacy or the difference between fact and opinion can get stuck with the belief that everything Peterson says is factual and thus not up for debate, which is where your problem occurs.

Greg, on this you and I are in 100% agreement.

1) Definitely NOT a little bit of Hitler in everyone.

2) Putin IS on par with what Hitler did to this point, and he could easily be as murderous or more if given the time and opportunity. He doens't have any morals that would keep him from it.

3) Peterson is wrong. You are right.

I value life, but the world would be a MUCH better place if someone were to take Putin out. It's really kind of insane what Putin has done here. Russia had the chance to really be a world economic power, and it could have opened itself up to the west and garnered just insane riches for its citizens. Putin has set the back many decades minimum from what it could have been, and that's only if a more progressive leader take over after he's gone.

It's always the dumb people who interpret things in black-and-white, extremely literal fashion that wind up thinking the most intelligent are actually the dumbest.

"There's a little bit of Hitler in everyone" doesn't mean "everybody to some extent wants to exterminate the Jews." It means that everybody, to some extent, is fueled by resentment and has the capacity to commit evil. The undue anger that Peterson generates and the motivation to distort his words in order to paint him as a fraud only proves that point.

I have a lot of hitler in me. Just kidding.

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Oh dear. What's the difference between the US wanting to take control of Cuba ( with no doubt huge number of Cuban deaths ) and Russia invading Ukraine? And, because of America's foreign policy, it's been estimated that 1,000,000 children died in Iraq. America and their NATO empire building is the reason that the Ukraine war exists.

The death toll in Iraq was inflated by left wing organizations in order to push their anti-Bush ant-war agenda. there is no need to comment on your comparison of the US wanting control of Cuba to Russia invading Ukraine. First because it never happened. God you must be college educated to have such leftwing idiotic ideas.

Never happened? Did you miss the Bay of Pigs debacle? Here's another scenario. What if Mexico signed a Russian-Mexico pact, and started moving in Russian military hardware. Would the Americans say, " Fair enough, Mexico is a sovereign nation and are free to do what it want".

You mean some people agree with what this guy said but you don't so he is wrong and they are wrong

Right! I wonder if Greg has ever realized that he is the definition of a dictator?

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I don't think anyone misunderstands what that comment means. I still disagree. I do not have it in me to commit any kind of evil at all...not ever. While I'm not in the head of any other person, I BELIEVE that many people are like that...unfortunately probably not most from what I have seen, but many. I'm surely not alone in this.

"Most people are evil, BUT NOT ME EVER"

Narcissistic virtue signaling.

The Hitler comment was just Peterson's psychobabble that he always has to introduce into any political discussion to try to gain an advantage because that is his field and the people he debates are not in the field. The real blunder in that interview is when Peterson basically says that people in Ukraine have to submit themselves to Putin because if they fight and win they will actually be losing because everything will be destroyed. That is so typical of Peterson's rhetoric and is why he is so impossible to debate. He makes broad proclamations that are so patently false but disproving him takes too much time and energy. So, people like Piers Morgan just move on and let him off the hook for saying something that is completely idiotic. Anyone with a junior high school education would tell you that people in Ukraine are fighting Putin because they do not want to have to speak Russian and have their culture erased in favor of Russian nationalism, become Russian citizens and be subject to mobilization for Putin's next war (probably in Kazakhstan or a break away republic like Dagestan), they do not want their journalists murder, opposition leaders jailed and poisoned and have all their economic production get sucked into the pockets of oligarchs living in Moscow. Ukrainians want a free and open society where they can integrate with Europe and build an economic future that they can control and prosper from. If war levels every building in Ukraine, but frees Ukrainians from Putin, they can rebuild and be free.

JP is one of the most intelligent (not to mention handsome) conservative thinkers of our day.

Lol his point is that even if Ukraine drives Russia out of Ukraine, Ukraine would still have lost in the end if their country is in ruins while Russia is perfectly fine. There's not really an avenue to "defeat" Russia at the moment because Putin has Europe by the balls with their oil supply, and nobody wants to really start a world war to defeat Putin.

All things considered, there are no good solutions for Ukraine - it's either severe bloodshed and destruction of Ukraine while trying to drive Russian forces out, or submission to Putin. Ukraine doesn't have the resources to take Putin out, so there's no way Putin can really lose in this situation. That's Peterson's point.

Of course, Roy, you sit here and call Peterson an idiot yet I don't see you volunteering to go help Ukraine.

People who identify with Peterson because they were waiting for a voice to allow them to play the male victim card will defend him to the end of the Earth. So it goes.