Do you want to prevent trans-people from competing because they have an advantage, or because you don't like trans-people?

They have an UNFAIR advantage.

BTW, I have a coworker who is trans (former man, now Sarah). It's not an issue.

Every person who is not a real gender/sex woman should be in the open/men division..

Advantages

boys will be boys

girls will be girls

Why not an intersex category?

Why? They should run in the open/male division.

In sports it is a simple question of biology. I would add in rest rooms / locker rooms, because cis females have a right to privacy / safety in those areas. Ideally most buildings already have some restrooms that are gender neutral anyhow. Aside from those exceptions, I really couldn't care less. It's worth noting that most violence against trans individuals is perpetrated by individuals in their own social circles or through their employment in sex work and not random attacks by bigoted white men roaming the streets.

Agreed. I adamantly believe that trans women should not be competing against biological women. I think athletes should be categorized by sex rather than gender (i.e. according to biological rather than psychosocial categories).

That said, it is logically inconsistent to be BOTH 1) mad about trans women competing against biological women, AND 2) mad that Hiltz is competing as a female. Hiltz is doing exactly what most of us claim that we want trans athletes to do: competing according to biological sex. I don't really see how anyone can frame this as being unfair.

I think many in the trans community might take exception to your “support” if you don’t support them in this area as well. Unfortunately, it seems you’re either all in or all out to a lot in the trans community. I remember this being a topic amongst gay marriage. “Oh I support them and they can love whomever they like, I just don’t agree with gay marriage.”

FWIW, I agree in a mens/open division and a biological female division.

Some might think I'm transphobic but I know I'm not so idrc. I think most trans people would agree with me though. I'd like to point out that I don't think "Transwomen shouldn't compete with ciswomen due to biological advantages" and "Gay people can love whoever they want, but I don't think they should be allowed to get married". Marriage comes with legal benefits. I agree with an open division and a biological female division too :)

let trans women compete in athletics. Some of you need to stop pretending like you actually care about women.

I think half on letsrun oppose it because they just hold deep animus for certain groups of people rooted in their own mental problems and insecurities. In the real world, I would say the majority oppose it because it is unfair.

I agree in principle with the restrooms/locker rooms bit, but at the same time, I think I'd feel a little uncomfortable if someone who completely passed as a woman came into the men's locker room because they were born a man. Vice versa, I'm sure a lot of women would be uncomfortable if someone who looked just like a man came into their locker room because they were born female.

I'm also not sure it was "worth noting" that last bit. It doesn't have much to do with the conversation, and I think that most violence against everyone is done by individuals in their own social circles.

Life isn’t fair. Half the athletes at the Olympics are doped to the gills as is.

If you ignore the obvious trolling posts, I haven’t read anything negative about Hiltz competing against women. Hiltz isn’t taking hormones, that I’m aware of, and so perfectly fine as they do not have an advantage.

I disagree. If someone's real sex is female, but their real gender is non-binary, I think the better option is to let them compete with other females. The female division was created to give women a space to compete at a high level without the benefits of being a male, so if someone doesn't have the benefits of being a male, I think they should be able to compete with women.

Why?

It must be confusing for all the slow slobs here if they were "chick'd" or not at the end of their Turkey Trot each year.

I think the people calling out Hiltz are actually trying to call out (perceived) inconsistencies from trans athletes themselves. As in: trans men-to-women switch categories to compete against women, and at the same time trans men (or non-binary individuals for Hiltz) are also choosing to stay in the women’s category.

It can appear that the trans athletes are just choosing the easier level of competition, no matter the direction of transition. I think that’s what’s being called out, though it doesn’t make as much sense for Hiltz, all she (they?) has done is clarified preferred gender, it’s not like there are transition drugs involved.