If Brosnan is a mid level high coach, I scratch my head thinking of what a high level coach produces.
I don’t know the man at all. All I see is a bunch of happy kids that are experiencing something special. Many times their is a major cost to being as great as his teams are. In NPHS’s case, they appear to be well adjusted kids that are having the ride of a lifetime. Again, what does a high level HS coach look like. Please reach out to one of these and ask him/her if they think Brosnan is a mid level coach.
Luck? These kids ran marks in the 8th grade what the top 11 year olds run. why is it so difficult to appreciate what this guy has done? You can’t keep getting lucky over and over.
The reason why Sean had his guys chase national records is because their team was so good in 2020 XC and pretty much all of their key runners returned.
And in 2021 track they had 4 guys break 9 minutes and they all returned.
When life gives you lemons make lemonade.
I don’t think that he would have them going for records in the first year without a Sahlman or a Young on the team.
ignoring everything else covered in this thread, chasing records is sometimes the biggest carrot you have to motivate runners. When you are that good, it isn't the competition, and the training is often very lonely.
Chasing records is not a bad thing. Records are there for someone to chase them and go after them.
Now if you are chasing records at the expense of someone's future that's a different story. We will see what the future holds for his athletes but I am guessing they will be just find and continue to grow.
Chasing records is not a bad thing. Records are there for someone to chase them and go after them.
Now if you are chasing records at the expense of someone's future that's a different story. We will see what the future holds for his athletes but I am guessing they will be just find and continue to grow.
Totally. We have a program that dominated the CA scene before Sean's arrival at NP who had lots of HS success, but none that did anything notable in college (red flag). Sean's already had several athletes move on to college and continue their development well. And to the haters who say that he just got lucky w/ the two families.. sure, he did get lucky w/ the two fams. But you could take them out of the equation all together and you've still got a really strong group of athletes that he's developed in a short amount of time. Like far more than what. most HS coaches produce in their careers. I'm not a fan of his political tweets, but I'll respect a good coach when i see one. I think he'll do great at UCLA and beyond.
Is this a good place for a discussion on what high school coaches do that causes athletes to stop growing after high school?
there are multiple reasons.
sometimes a kid has just reached their ceiling for some reason or another.
sometimes a kid goes to a college program that doesn't give them everything their high school program had. (training, motivation, attention, etc.)
partying/motivated by things other than running.
injuries.
But what does a workload look like that will cause a kid to stop improving at 18 years old?
Also, there is an argument that if a kid isn't going to progress well beyond high school, it's likely they were never going to be all world in college. Maybe the heights they reached in high school were worth it.
What Coach Brosnan did a Newbury Park is more than just coaching. He established a successful PROGRAM and ATMOSPHERE within the confines of a California public school. Yes, he had help from assistant coaches to parents that reinforced the goals he set for the boys and girls in the program. Yes, the program was attractive to runners and their families that lived outside the attendance area of the school. Seems like just what UCLA needs, someone who can establish a program and atmosphere that is attractive to runners and their families. GREAT HIRE UCLA!
Is this a good place for a discussion on what high school coaches do that causes athletes to stop growing after high school?
there are multiple reasons.
sometimes a kid has just reached their ceiling for some reason or another.
sometimes a kid goes to a college program that doesn't give them everything their high school program had. (training, motivation, attention, etc.)
partying/motivated by things other than running.
injuries.
But what does a workload look like that will cause a kid to stop improving at 18 years old?
Also, there is an argument that if a kid isn't going to progress well beyond high school, it's likely they were never going to be all world in college. Maybe the heights they reached in high school were worth it.
It's not always the workload that can lead to future burnout, I do think that's a factor. I don't think kids should be running 100 mpw or anything in HS, but some have done it and been fine. I think the burnout comes more from the types of pressure that they receive. Some coaches apply pressure SO MUCH that kids begin to hate it. Coaches tell them not to do anything or have a life which can lead to hating the sport. Once you have a bad taste for the sport then it's really hard to push yourself to the point of being able to improve even more after you were already a top athlete.
Is this a good place for a discussion on what high school coaches do that causes athletes to stop growing after high school?
there are multiple reasons.
sometimes a kid has just reached their ceiling for some reason or another.
sometimes a kid goes to a college program that doesn't give them everything their high school program had. (training, motivation, attention, etc.)
partying/motivated by things other than running.
injuries.
But what does a workload look like that will cause a kid to stop improving at 18 years old?
Also, there is an argument that if a kid isn't going to progress well beyond high school, it's likely they were never going to be all world in college. Maybe the heights they reached in high school were worth it.
It's not always the workload that can lead to future burnout, I do think that's a factor. I don't think kids should be running 100 mpw or anything in HS, but some have done it and been fine. I think the burnout comes more from the types of pressure that they receive. Some coaches apply pressure SO MUCH that kids begin to hate it. Coaches tell them not to do anything or have a life which can lead to hating the sport. Once you have a bad taste for the sport then it's really hard to push yourself to the point of being able to improve even more after you were already a top athlete.
probably the type of kid who feels pressured to do it "for the program"
or their parents, or whatever other external pressure they are receiving.