Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
That was going to happen regardless of today’s news.
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
That was going to happen regardless of today’s news.
I disagree about them reverting back had Brosnan stayed. While the 2023 XC team would sort of be a rebuilding year I think he would have developed a few runners into varsity contributors. Of course that's all speculation now. I wonder if Hawkins and Tanya Brosnan are interim coaches this year. Even without Sean there NP will still be interesting to follow.
That was going to happen regardless of today’s news.
I disagree about them reverting back had Brosnan stayed. While the 2023 XC team would sort of be a rebuilding year I think he would have developed a few runners into varsity contributors. Of course that's all speculation now. I wonder if Hawkins and Tanya Brosnan are interim coaches this year. Even without Sean there NP will still be interesting to follow.
Why would you say that? Brosnan has no history of taking average kids and making them great. The great kids at NP were all great as Freshmen. The current group of Juniors and Sophomores were far from great (Doshi is good, not great). I guess someone has to be on the Varsity and contribute, but those kids won't be anywhere close to what they have contributing now.
That was going to happen regardless of today’s news.
I disagree about them reverting back had Brosnan stayed. While the 2023 XC team would sort of be a rebuilding year I think he would have developed a few runners into varsity contributors. Of course that's all speculation now. I wonder if Hawkins and Tanya Brosnan are interim coaches this year. Even without Sean there NP will still be interesting to follow.
Well, my speculation about Tanya Brosnan and Hawkins was answered.
I disagree about them reverting back had Brosnan stayed. While the 2023 XC team would sort of be a rebuilding year I think he would have developed a few runners into varsity contributors. Of course that's all speculation now. I wonder if Hawkins and Tanya Brosnan are interim coaches this year. Even without Sean there NP will still be interesting to follow.
Why would you say that? Brosnan has no history of taking average kids and making them great. The great kids at NP were all great as Freshmen. The current group of Juniors and Sophomores were far from great (Doshi is good, not great). I guess someone has to be on the Varsity and contribute, but those kids won't be anywhere close to what they have contributing now.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Why would you say that? Brosnan has no history of taking average kids and making them great. The great kids at NP were all great as Freshmen. The current group of Juniors and Sophomores were far from great (Doshi is good, not great). I guess someone has to be on the Varsity and contribute, but those kids won't be anywhere close to what they have contributing now.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Not so fast, name a kid that he has "developed"? Every kid to my knowledge has been a sub 4:55 or faster miler in 7th or 8th grade. Everyone one of those boys has been INCREDIBLY talented.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Not so fast, name a kid that he has "developed"? Every kid to my knowledge has been a sub 4:55 or faster miler in 7th or 8th grade. Everyone one of those boys has been INCREDIBLY talented.
In several interviews Brosnan has said that talent is one of the ingredients needed to develop. Everyone knows that. Nobody turns a nine minute miler into a four minute miler. But let's look at a list of the top 8th grade mile times nationwide when Leo, Lex and Aaron were 8th graders. There were others in the U.S. with equally fast times. I haven't heard their names mentioned running 4:05 or 4:10, or sub 9 for 3200. Why is that? Shouldn't that extraordinary talent have resulted in comparable performances to the NP kids?
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
Holy crap!!
i don’t think anyone expected this to happen now that their coach is moving on! What an insightful take.
The Youngs and the younger Sahlman are going to commit to UCLA. Not only is NP’s reign over, so is NAU’s.
Brosnan is the best coach in the country. Mike Smith and NAU will soon be a memory. As long as Brosnan is at UCLA they will be national champions in cross.
The Youngs and the younger Sahlman are going to commit to UCLA. Not only is NP’s reign over, so is NAU’s.
Brosnan is the best coach in the country. Mike Smith and NAU will soon be a memory. As long as Brosnan is at UCLA they will be national champions in cross.
Nah. Nau's success is partly Mike Smith and partly Flagstaff. Both are still there and will continue that success.
The NP brothers will go to Flagstaff (either as pros or students). Running for UCLA would do nothing for them in terms of running development.
Yes, they still have the two Young twins and Aaron Sahlman on the boys side. But with Sean Brosnan leaving, their reign will come to an end. This year they will be able to get away with winning because of their three superstar runners. After that, they will revert back to a no name California school once more.
Why don't you celebrate what they've achieved rather than put a damper on their future. It just indicates the pathetic and loser lifestyle you have FlightReacts1. Get another username...yours is sad and pathetic.
Why would you say that? Brosnan has no history of taking average kids and making them great. The great kids at NP were all great as Freshmen. The current group of Juniors and Sophomores were far from great (Doshi is good, not great). I guess someone has to be on the Varsity and contribute, but those kids won't be anywhere close to what they have contributing now.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Ok, easy there big fella. Doshi running 9:02 and 4:19 as a sophomore is good when you compare that to 8:43 and 4:07 as a sophomore, which is great. The class of seniors now was running 8:4x/4:0x as sophomores while the current class of juniors were running 9:52, 4:26 and 10:17, 4:35, etc.
Brosnan or any other coach is not going to turn Doshi, Porter, Shetty and Sloan into the Youngs and Sahlmans.
What coaching have histories of taking average kids and making them great? Doshi ran 9:02 as a sophomore, which you think isn't great. Can you list 1 or 2 other coaches who are taking average kids and getting them sub-9 as sophomores? Or even consistently getting sub-9s by the end of HS?
Without even worrying about making average kids great, can you name 2 coaches who have histories of making kids great? Did they turn a 5:18 8th grader into an 8:44 senior? Are there any other schools with an 8:44 guy as #6 on their all time list?
Without the Youngs and Sahlmans, Brosnan has gotten 8:44, 8:52, 9:00, 9:02, and a slew of 9:20s. What school can beat that? Seems to me like even without his best kids, he's got one of the best records ever.
Ok, easy there big fella. Doshi running 9:02 and 4:19 as a sophomore is good when you compare that to 8:43 and 4:07 as a sophomore, which is great. The class of seniors now was running 8:4x/4:0x as sophomores while the current class of juniors were running 9:52, 4:26 and 10:17, 4:35, etc.
Brosnan or any other coach is not going to turn Doshi, Porter, Shetty and Sloan into the Youngs and Sahlmans.
The reign was over with or without Brosnan.
There is no high school coach that ever got the talent of the Sahlmans and Youngs year after year. Last year and this year will be looked at as special years for NP. However, to say the reign has ended implies that the program would only be left with 9:40 two milers for years to come. Next year is a rebuilding year, but after that who knows? Maybe there would be years with higher level talent coming in. But now with Brosnan gone it remains to be seen if the interim coaches and whoever they hire as the permanent coach can keep the program going. My guess is probably not, but there are some very capable coaches out there so anything possible.