Exactly how these policies unravel at the local police and local school level. It's like a bad game of telephone and the city of Kiel a distortion of the original intention. What's ultimately sick is this could turn into a landmark case.
The 3 students in question were teasing a classmate, repeatedly. What is supposed to happen? Are we going back to the 80s and earlier when it was ok, and actually encouraged, for children to mock each other?
Good, because it has absolutely no bearing on their lives if another person is a he or a she or a they.
Would you be OK with people referring to the student as an "it"? If "he" and "she" are no-gos and "they" is plural and thus inappropriate grammar, then it seems like "it" would be the correct pronoun. Any problem with this?
I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
Nobody is going to remember pronouns for every person they meet and you can't force them to. You're a man. You're a Mr. Or a sir. Good day, sir.
Good, because it has absolutely no bearing on their lives if another person is a he or a she or a they.
Would you be OK with people referring to the student as an "it"? If "he" and "she" are no-gos and "they" is plural and thus inappropriate grammar, then it seems like "it" would be the correct pronoun. Any problem with this?
I teach grammar. “They” is and has been an acceptable pronoun to use with a singular antecedent. The only time the number of the word ‘they’ comes into play is in cases of subject-verb agreement, which follows the rules of plural nouns based on phonetics and the precedent of the pronoun ‘they’ functioning as a plural noun in subject-verb agreement usage.
So your argument is moot, but in any event, unless someone asked to be called ‘it,’ I’m not using referring to them with it. It is not a personal pronoun, so using it to refer to a person could easily be inferred as an attempt To dehumanize. As someone who thinks about the feelings of others, I don’t see what benefit anyone gets out of trying to make people feel subhuman.
I’m a teacher. Students call me Mr. Leonard and refer to me as he/him since that’s how I identify.
if a kid insisted on calling me Ms. Leonard and calling me by she/her, it would be worthy of some type of discipline. This is essentially what is happening here.
for a student to do this exact same thing to a fellow student is at the very least bullying. It could certainly be seen as sexual harrassment as the victim student is made to feel lesser based on their gender.
Nobody is going to remember pronouns for every person they meet and you can't force them to. You're a man. You're a Mr. Or a sir. Good day, sir.
Intent goes a long way. I’ve forgotten a student’s pronouns before. You apologize for it and try not to do it again. No one is getting negative consequences for slip ups. They are getting negative consequences because they are either actively trying to refer to people by the wrong gender or, when they do slip up, they throw a hissy fit and act like it’s too hard to have empathy and just say “sorry, my bad.”
The 3 students in question were teasing a classmate, repeatedly. What is supposed to happen? Are we going back to the 80s and earlier when it was ok, and actually encouraged, for children to mock each other?
We have been told over and over gender and sexa re not the same. Using that logic how is mis-gendering someone sexual harassment. I guess it could be gender harassment but that isn't, and shouldn't be, a thing.
All of this crap where people want to be called a gender other than what they actually are is dumb so good on those students. That is exactly what should happen. If you are a she that thinks you are a he you should be ridiculed relentlessly until you are corrected