Newbury Park boys hoping to break 4 x 800 national record of 7:28.75 at Mt. Sac, can they do it?

I’d hope they can run a 7:24.

Will be very tough unless they all show out that day. Even then it will probably take a sub 1:50 split from both salhmans or one of them splitting way under 1:50. I just don't see lex and Leo both splitting under 1:54 but I could be wrong.

I'll say the first 2 guys are good for 152 and the next 2 can average 154

I say they are close but miss it by 3-4s

Of course they “can” do it. Super shoes, talented, and well coached. Good luck.

The answer is no. I think they will run about 7:30-7:32 and be among other great squads of the past. I will admit these guys are very, very good. But they got real carried away with "the best ever" self-titling and set such a high bar for themselves that theyre going to falter over the long term. Without the super shoes I think you have four guys similar to Ryan Hall, German Fernandez, Jeff Nelson and someone like Thom Hunt. Really great guys, but not the best ever every single freaking time out. I think neither they nor the coach have respect for records. They feel entitled to them and bounce their way to fist pumps at the end.

Can they? Yes!! Will they? We'll see. These are the splits from the record:

1:53.00, 1:52.79, 1:55.27, 1:47.71

Don't think they will have an anchor that strong but all 4 NP runners should be capable of running faster than the other 3 legs. LBP had competition setting the record which helped too. I think they get it 7:26.24

L&L can definitly both rip 1:53s at the slowest, not sure why there are people here saying they'd be at 1:55 or something like that. And knowing the Sahlmen's sub 1:49 prs, the record is absolutely within reach.

However, records stay within reach far more often than they are caught for most runners. They'd all need to have "good" days at best, meaning if Aaron or Leo choke it its done.

If, hypothetically they all go all out, I think the absolute fastest they could run in the standard Aaron, Leo, Lex, Colin order is 1:49, 1:51, 1:52, 1:48, which would be 7:20, but there's no way the stars align for that to happen. Especially not a week after Arcadia and with Penn the week after.

You are all forgetting that one of the Young brothers was very sick for a week and is not in nearly as good of shape as he was a few weeks ago. He couldn't even break 9 minutes in the 3200 at Arcadia. No way they can get the record with him not at full strength.

One or more NP guys has trouble with relay pacing. They go out too fast and can't maintain.

That’s not how the 4x800 or even the 800 in general works.

the entire point of the 800 is to go out too fast and not be able to maintain the pace.

You had me a little bit at the beginning but then lost me toward the end. Obviously shoes have changed running but having these four guys on the same team is still a major all-time outlier. And I don't think they need the 4x800 record to be considered the best.

"Can they? Yes!! Will they? We'll see. These are the splits from the record:
1:53.00, 1:52.79, 1:55.27, 1:47.71"

I agree that its totally possible -

Lex - 1:52

Leo - 1:52

Colin - 1:50

Aaron - I:49

This still gets them under with 2.4 Sec. to spare

Being sick for a week is not going to lower your level of fitness by that much. He had a bad day and that's fine. Everyone can have a crappy race and rebound the following week. This is very common in distance running. He'll be fine. I wouldn't count out a guy that can run a 4 flat mile.

I wouldn't count in a guy who couldn't break 9 minutes for 3200 just a few days ago.

People here are predicting the Young brothers to both run the same time. Yet one just ran the 3200 in 8:36ish and the other ran something like 9:02. That's more than just a bad race. He'll need a few more weeks to get back to the fitness level he was in March.

Don't they have a backup runner who ran 1:54 this year and is relatively new? They could replace either Leo or Lex if they're not confident in their speed.

Seems pretty doable. I’m expecting to see splits of 1:49, 1:50, 1:51 and 1:52. I’d say worst case you’re looking at 1:49, 1:50, 1:52, 1:53. Which would still get the record.

So what, Ryan, German et al, had distinct advantages over the runners who came before them. The reason you think Newberry Park doesn’t have respect for records is because they’re better than all of them. Did you say the same when Jeff Nelson had utter disdain for what Lindgren ran? How dare Nelson’s entitlement!

The existing 7:28.75 by Long Beach Poly is very impressive. Newbury Park’s recent U.S. 4 x 1 mile record, was a shade under 16:30, so roughly 4:07.5 per mile leg. That converts to about 1:52 per 800 meters. I think they will break 7:28, because a runner or two in their top two will shave more off 1:52 than the slower two will add to it. Interesting decisions on where to put each runner. Perhaps they go with third fastest, then fourth, then first, then second.

he wasn't in 9:02 shape at best during that race. he fought to get into the lead the first lap, went through 400 in 61 which loaded up his legs too much and then started to fade and could see he wasn't on form which means motivation to push to his limits would have tanked as well.

if y'all don't understand that, i don't really know what to tell you other than you've prob never competed before.