Sato, who will start college in April, is also 86 days younger than Sahlman as well. He's hoping to make it to Eugene WCs in the 1500 this year and has vowed to break 13:00 for 5000 before leaving college.
Impressive. He ran that 3:37 last July and hopes to get the 3:35 World's standard this year.
Sahlman's outdoor track season has just begun but he would have to improve a lot to reach Sato's times. World Athletics doesn't list the 7:50 of the article, giving him a pr of 8:00.
Here is an artilce on the top girls HSer in Japan who has pbs of 4:14.74, 8:59.97, and 15:31.33.
Danish teens Ibler and Christensen are also better
Based on what both Webb and Kessler accomplished in their senior years after running 3:59 indoors, I think that Colin is good for 3:37, maybe 3:36 this summer. This Sato kid is a monster if he goes sub-13 in the next year.
Ibler : 3:44 / 7:49 / 13:40
Christensen: 7:59/ 13:44/ 13:42 road
Sahlman: 3:58 mile (~3:41 1500m) and 8:33 3200m (~7:59 3000m)
No one runs the 5000m as a highschooler in the US, so it's hard to compare there, but I would say that Sahlman's 14:03 on grass is at least equal to a 13:45 on the track. Don't forget that he ran it from the front the whole way. Sahlman's best performance was the indoor mile, worth 1145 pts. Ibler's best race was the indoor 3k, worth 1141.
Ibler is probably better developed on the endurance side, and Sahlman better developed on the speed side of things. Comparing their best races, they're pretty much equal, maybe a slight edge to Sahlman. Christensen is behind these two.
750 leading the entire way
race starts around at 2 min
no they're not wrote:
Ibler : 3:44 / 7:49 / 13:40
Christensen: 7:59/ 13:44/ 13:42 road
Sahlman: 3:58 mile (~3:41 1500m) and 8:33 3200m (~7:59 3000m)
No one runs the 5000m as a highschooler in the US, so it's hard to compare there, but I would say that Sahlman's 14:03 on grass is at least equal to a 13:45 on the track. Don't forget that he ran it from the front the whole way. Sahlman's best performance was the indoor mile, worth 1145 pts. Ibler's best race was the indoor 3k, worth 1141.
Ibler is probably better developed on the endurance side, and Sahlman better developed on the speed side of things. Comparing their best races, they're pretty much equal, maybe a slight edge to Sahlman. Christensen is behind these two.
Ibler´s 3:44.5 was run when he was 16 in 2020. His 7:48 indoors 3000m was run this year at 18 (born November 2003).
Christensen at 17 is possibly a sub 13:30 runner who hasn´t had the opportunity to join a fast 5000m yet. If you doubt this: Watch the U20 X country champs from December 2021.
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P-47 wrote:
Based on what both Webb and Kessler accomplished in their senior years after running 3:59 indoors, I think that Colin is good for 3:37, maybe 3:36 this summer. This Sato kid is a monster if he goes sub-13 in the next year.
Kessler ran 3:57 indoors. Splitting hairs I guess.
Coming on here to say that "non African" is not an actual standard of anything and you don't get a participation trophy for being the best "non African". It's stupid and racist, and suggests that African accomplishments aren't legitimate. There's no separate medal stand. So who cares who the best "non African" at anything is.
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750 leading the entire way
race starts around at 2 min
Great video. The kid's a monster, going out in 4:09, holding on and finishing his last lap sub 60 passing lapped runners.
The announcers are awesome, much better than anything I've heard on Flotrack, milesplit, Peacock or USATF broadcasts. I don't speak Japanese, but I actually got more out of the announcing than usual.
Ah, the "non-African" standard argument. Wake up - none of the best US-born athletes are distance runners. Distance running is perhaps the 20th most popular / lucrative sport in the US. By contrast, in Kenya and Ethiopia distance running may be the #1 pro athletic option. Hence many of the best athletes in these countries are runners. US youth who could develop massive aerobic bases if they chose distance running over all their other options, do not choose distance running. Galen Rupp may be the best US born distance runner, but there are multiple US athletes who could have crushed his times if they chose running from a young age. So many LR posters have a hard time with this concept...
non african is not an actual standard wrote:
Coming on here to say that "non African" is not an actual standard of anything and you don't get a participation trophy for being the best "non African". It's stupid and racist, and suggests that African accomplishments aren't legitimate. There's no separate medal stand. So who cares who the best "non African" at anything is.
It is a sad reality but the truth is that this distinction is normalized because of the prevalence of racism in our sport due to people who view everything from a eurocentric lens. It's why we have this "non-african" category, and why athletes of european descent get hyped up more despite doing less. They only care about white athletes.
We have no need for such subjectivity in our sport. Our sport is about objective metrics. Let these command which competitors receive the highest praise.
Best US athletes aren't distance runners wrote:
Ah, the "non-African" standard argument. Wake up - none of the best US-born athletes are distance runners. Distance running is perhaps the 20th most popular / lucrative sport in the US. By contrast, in Kenya and Ethiopia distance running may be the #1 pro athletic option. Hence many of the best athletes in these countries are runners. US youth who could develop massive aerobic bases if they chose distance running over all their other options, do not choose distance running. Galen Rupp may be the best US born distance runner, but there are multiple US athletes who could have crushed his times if they chose running from a young age. So many LR posters have a hard time with this concept...
I'm confused by what your argument is? Because we could possibly maybe have better distance runners in our population that conveniently chose other sports and aren't running, then...that makes it okay to create a separate racist category to pat ourselves on the back and give ourselves participation trophies?
Look--I'm not even trying to be "politically correct". Non African is such a dumb and blatantly racist "standard" that we still openly use and it honestly makes Non African runners look weak and pathetic because its acknowledging they can't compete. Like if a white runner finishes 8th at the Olympics, they get awarded "first non-african" like...no, they finished 8th! There's no medal handed out for that!
The whole "Non African" thing needs to die in a dumpster fire. Like yesterday. African runners are hard working athletes who are talented. They tow the line same as any other human in a foot race. Separating out the Non African runners who can't keep up with them into "best Non African" delegitimizes that work and talent, and turns them into some alien force that can just magically run fast, not talented humans who put in the work.
Agreed.
non African is dumb. It’s a race may the best runner win. No racial segregation.
Sahlman won his 3:58 race. His speed is a lot better than Ibler or Christensen. He may get into the mid-3:30s outdoors this year with pros. Kessler ran 3:34 last year, still 3 seconds better than Sato has run. Sahlman's surely good for mid 7:50s already, as he has beaten the Young brothers on numerous occasions, and Lex ran 7:57, and Sahlman beat Leo by 6 seconds in that 3200m race. It's a real advantage for the foreign 17-19 year olds to compete and probably train with older pros and collegians more often. 7:49 for Ibler at 17 last summer was very impressive. He has now run 7:48. Parker Wolfe is also still 18 years old (born on July 27, 2003) and he has run 7:46.96, faster than any of the above, at 3k, to go with 13:48, which will surely come down a lot outdoors.
Best US athletes aren\'t distance runners wrote:
Ah, the "non-African" standard argument. Wake up - none of the best US-born athletes are distance runners. Distance running is perhaps the 20th most popular / lucrative sport in the US. By contrast, in Kenya and Ethiopia distance running may be the #1 pro athletic option. Hence many of the best athletes in these countries are runners. US youth who could develop massive aerobic bases if they chose distance running over all their other options, do not choose distance running. Galen Rupp may be the best US born distance runner, but there are multiple US athletes who could have crushed his times if they chose running from a young age. So many LR posters have a hard time with this concept...
I think you’re missing the point if the whole “non African” thing.
I totally agree. It doesn’t matter what the sport is. If the USA’s best athletes spent their time working on what ever different sport then we would dominate. Our us soccer team sucks but we’d be the fastest soccer team ever lol. Easily. Same with distance running. If young southern black kids saw a future in distance running they would dominate it. Hell if they all stayed in track we’d still dominate the sprints as well. We finally had one athlete choose track over football and he medals in the Olympics his first year as a pro lol.
Also distance runners are inherently the least athletic kids on most HS track teams lol. It’s just the truth.
Also, Nick Griggs of Ireland. 3:56.4 Mile/7:57 3k, at 17. He's in the mix.
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