Galen Rupp vs BTC

For me personally, there is a lot more “smoke” around Rupp/Salazar than there is around a random BTC member, which is why I’m more skeptical of him.

Why would you care about smoke when BTC has fire?

A random BTC member?! Literally an American record holder and prior to her drug bust she was in the conversation for an Olympic medal. Plus there’s solid rumors Jager and Marc Scott tested positive for Nandralone around the same time as Shelburrito but were below the threshold.

In both cases, I don't care. I root for them because they are fast and, especially in Rupp's case, they are excellent racers. Assume that every runner wants to be the best and is doing everything they need to do to get there. I don't care if that's altitude tents, carbon shoes, testosterone, asthma medication, sports massage. Let us reach the pinnacle of human achievement and not split hairs about which methods are arbitrarily immoral.

Shelby testing positive and being rightfully banned is not fire for Fisher or Cranny, it is smoke for the other team members.

Reading comprehension my friend. Random BTC member meaning someone on the team OTHER than the one who tested positive.

I think both are dirty as is anything Nike touches. They are a terrible cheating, sweat shop using company.

Same, I wish Bolt had snorted coke right before his WRs in 2009 so that we could really see how fast humans can run

Yes well, NOP and BTC are two sides of the same coin. Just look at all the overlap.

The writing was on the wall since years. Only a matter of time when the next one would screw up.

Galen get's the benefit of the doubt. The fact is that he is the most tested middle distance athlete. That's where the science meets said accusations. Rupp has passed them all. Do I think he bent the rules, experimented, tried new and crazy things under Salazar. Common sense says yes he did. All within doping guidelines apparently.

As a previous poster mentioned, I like Rupp because he makes himself relevant every race. Win or lose he throws himself up front, changes pace, clips and bumps. Everyone knows he is there because he races to win.

Unlike Bowerman running time trials.

This is news to me. Please tell me more ... 🧐

By "solid" he means Wesfly said it once and people on here have repeated it.

Same people claimed Lomong wasn't racing because he had been provisionally suspended.

You seem to think the two groups are similar in terms of suspiciousness simply because they both had fast people. I would totally disagree.

Fisher being an all-time US great isn't surprising. He was an all-time great at the US HS ranks who broke 4:00 in HS.

Rupp was good in HS but his coach had ties to Athletics West and his coach coached Mary Slaney when she was popped. Plus Rupp couldn't break 4:00 for much of college and then became a 3:50 miler. His improvement was much more 'suspicious'. Plus we don't have photos of a Nike lab document showing Fisher was a testosterone supplement in HS. Plus we've never received any reports that Jerry gave the massage guy a night off before big races or told his athletes to lie about what treatments they've been getting.

Mo Farah's development from World final also-ran to world beater also was much more suspicious than what we've seen from any male pro in the BTC.

Plus Schumacher clearly very quickly moved away from the grey area and Dr. Brown once he realized what it was. He had a very public falling out with the man (Salazar) he used to almost co-coach with.

Now, Shelby's positive test is obviously a big step in the other direction.

Responses above, in-line. In general, the answer i understand from your responses is: Rojo roots for BTC, but not Rupp. Rojo believes Rupp is very likely guilty and that Fisher is not.

I have no reason to suspect Fisher, other than Shelby's positive, and the surprising responses of Jerry et al. But, Shelby's positive is stark, as you noted. I agree with your points TO AN EXTENT, but not to the extent you are taking it. I am not willing to write off Rupp as a cheat.

Maybe I'll just root for Ben True and forget about track.

Completely false. Why do you continue to propogate this ridiculous rumor? Again, it was either that fool Everett Smulders and/or that pot stirrer Trackstaa that started the rumor. Both of those individuals are bad for the sport. Seem to be very toxic people, with the desire to cause trouble for no apparent reason other than to generate clicks.

Your blind spot for BTC is laughable Rojo. As it is for many on Letsrun.

You put more focus on all the goofy ProPublica/Magness "proof" (and the massage story, lol) than you do Shelby's positive test.

Now they have guys running 12:50's/26:30's and you still think Rupp is more suspicious. Laughable.

I hope it's worth it so Gault can keep interviewing the BTC squad.

PS. Schumacher didn't move away from Brown when he "realized what it was." He moved away when he realized the jig was up. Absolutely pathetic level of brown nosing that you guys can't see this.

Jerry doesnt have an ounce of evil or deception to him which is vastly different than Alberto. Jerry is by the book and naive to grey area methodologies almost to a fault. I believed him when he said he didnt know what Nandrolone was. He is a liberal arts guy if I recall correctly that basically went to school to run. Super nice guy, always positive in the non-fake way, and generally well liked by all his former competitors. I dont think, from a personal level, Jerry even has the capability of thinking about grey area methodologies or other deceptions involved with performance enhancement. He isnt wired that way. Jerry modus operandi is a snapshot of the traditional past.

google testo-boots by metabolic diet. it is not testosterone.

if galen had closed the last 5k of his 26:44 faster than his 5k pr two years prior, you'd have gone mental. your dislike of the NOP has led you to change goal posts when being critical of virtually identical conduct depending on who is doing it. imagine if an NOP athlete claimed a burrito as an excuse for a failed PED test and sal saying he'd never heard of it. you'd have laughed until your ribs hurt.

I will also say that if/when a BTC athlete tests positive or gets popped, its definitely on the athlete. Jerry would likely cut ties if he found out and be focused on doing the "right thing", not letting bad things infiltrate the group. Again, he is naive to a fault and would lose respect for people who he knew doped.