The reason that so many pros skipped World Indoor or USATF Indoors is because INDOOR TRACK IS NOT IMPORTANT even to Track Pros. The suggestion of having shoe companies put bonuses in the athletes contracts might make it better attended but it will not make it more important. LETSRUN is exclusively a running site so it will build up indoor because there is nothing else within running going on but IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.
I love track and I watch indoor but I know it is not important.
The reason that so many pros skipped World Indoor or USATF Indoors is because INDOOR TRACK IS NOT IMPORTANT even to Track Pros. The suggestion of having shoe companies put bonuses in the athletes contracts might make it better attended but it will not make it more important. LETSRUN is exclusively a running site so it will build up indoor because there is nothing else within running going on but IT IS NOT IMPORTANT.
I love track and I watch indoor but I know it is not important.
LRC is primarily for distance runner's so it's easy to agree. Indoors is marginally important among distance runner's who also have road racing and xc as avenues to perform at.
LRC is not filled with Sprinters, Pole vaulters, Shot putters, and Hurdler's. Among these athletes, Indoor is the only avenue to perform besides the outdoor season.
In the US, these athletes are the best we have, world beaters and far superior to the distance athletes in World performances. That alone justifies indoors. Also, the actual travesty is that our NCAA athletes in the US are capable of World beating performance at indoors but the geniuses who set NCAA scheduling pretty much phuk those athletes.
Again, agreed that indoor worlds is a waste of time for US distance athletes.....but we suck at distance running anyways so your point is moot
Agreed, as a former collegiate runner I always thought the indoor season was a waste of time. My team prided itself on winning conference titles so we would be taking indoor very seriously - racing almost every weekend, trying to qualify as many runners to conference as possible. I thought the frequent racing (which takes away from training imo) hindered our development for outdoor and was more of a distraction. It looks like a lot of pros share the same attitude.
Agreed, as a former collegiate runner I always thought the indoor season was a waste of time. My team prided itself on winning conference titles so we would be taking indoor very seriously - racing almost every weekend, trying to qualify as many runners to conference as possible. I thought the frequent racing (which takes away from training imo) hindered our development for outdoor and was more of a distraction. It looks like a lot of pros share the same attitude.
If you don't want to race, what's the point of training?
If you would rather be training than competing, just get into lifting like every other dude in their 30s with no personality.
Agreed, as a former collegiate runner I always thought the indoor season was a waste of time. My team prided itself on winning conference titles so we would be taking indoor very seriously - racing almost every weekend, trying to qualify as many runners to conference as possible. I thought the frequent racing (which takes away from training imo) hindered our development for outdoor and was more of a distraction. It looks like a lot of pros share the same attitude.
If you don't want to race, what's the point of training?
If you would rather be training than competing, just get into lifting like every other dude in their 30s with no personality.
It's called delayed gratification. I would rather put in more hard work in the winter so I could perform better outdoors. Not sure I understand the aggression, am I supposed to want to be racing at all points of the year?
If you don't want to race, what's the point of training?
If you would rather be training than competing, just get into lifting like every other dude in their 30s with no personality.
It's called delayed gratification. I would rather put in more hard work in the winter so I could perform better outdoors. Not sure I understand the aggression, am I supposed to want to be racing at all points of the year?
Yes, if you're truly passionate about the sport, you should WANT to race at all points of the year. If you don't want to, then not racing at certain times is not delayed gratification...it's just doing what you want.
And I agree with the previous poster...what's the point of training if you never race? If you just want to be the best at exercising, go join crossfit.
If you don't want to race, what's the point of training?
If you would rather be training than competing, just get into lifting like every other dude in their 30s with no personality.
It's called delayed gratification. I would rather put in more hard work in the winter so I could perform better outdoors. Not sure I understand the aggression, am I supposed to want to be racing at all points of the year?
So let me get this straight... You say you want to put in MORE work in the winter, so you would rather train, which is LESS work than racing. This either means that a) you train harder than you race, or b) you would rather workout than compete.
It sounds to me like what you really want to "delay" is the pain of racing.
I had a coach in school once tell us practices should be harder than races. That didn't make sense to a bunch teenagers at the time, but in hindsight I totally agree. Running workouts like 4 x mile or 8 x 800 or hills would/should be harder than running a mile/800 double - at least in HS.
It's called delayed gratification. I would rather put in more hard work in the winter so I could perform better outdoors. Not sure I understand the aggression, am I supposed to want to be racing at all points of the year?
Yes, if you're truly passionate about the sport, you should WANT to race at all points of the year. If you don't want to, then not racing at certain times is not delayed gratification...it's just doing what you want.
And I agree with the previous poster...what's the point of training if you never race? If you just want to be the best at exercising, go join crossfit.
This is a pure hobby jogger mentality. If you want to race for the sake of racing, that's fine, but not everybody shares that sentiment - including David Rudisha who never ran indoors, I guess he wasn't passionate about the sport either. When I was running competitively it was to run at my absolute best and compete at my peak which was going to happen during the outdoor season based on how track runners periodize. None of that was going to happen during the indoor season so I found it was better just to skip it altogether since I wasn't gaining anything from it.
I had a coach in school once tell us practices should be harder than races. That didn't make sense to a bunch teenagers at the time, but in hindsight I totally agree. Running workouts like 4 x mile or 8 x 800 or hills would/should be harder than running a mile/800 double - at least in HS.
Typical American runner mindset... Type A in practice, Type B on race day.
The thing your coach didn't take into consideration is effort level of workouts vs races. You should be giving 70-90% in workouts, save that 100% effort for race day.
Indoor is ridiculous. At least on the D1 level, it's a disaster for distance runners, at least, to be "on" for XC, then indoor, then outdoor, then somehow get ready over the summer for XC again.
It's called delayed gratification. I would rather put in more hard work in the winter so I could perform better outdoors. Not sure I understand the aggression, am I supposed to want to be racing at all points of the year?
So let me get this straight... You say you want to put in MORE work in the winter, so you would rather train, which is LESS work than racing. This either means that a) you train harder than you race, or b) you would rather workout than compete.
It sounds to me like what you really want to "delay" is the pain of racing.
My goal as a track athlete was to run as fast as I could and win medals that meant something, and indoor titles don't mean jack sh!t because nobody is truly at their peak yet. As a collegiate athlete that happens in the outdoor season because that is when everybody has unspokenly agreed to peak for their best. Sorry you can't relate to a real competitors grindset, nerd.
Jumpers, sprinters and throwers need indoor season. The issue for 1500m and longer athletes, indoors, left leg syndrome. The tork placed on left foot, left ankle, left knee, left leg and left hip is not worth it.
Yes, if you're truly passionate about the sport, you should WANT to race at all points of the year. If you don't want to, then not racing at certain times is not delayed gratification...it's just doing what you want.
And I agree with the previous poster...what's the point of training if you never race? If you just want to be the best at exercising, go join crossfit.
This is a pure hobby jogger mentality. If you want to race for the sake of racing, that's fine, but not everybody shares that sentiment - including David Rudisha who never ran indoors, I guess he wasn't passionate about the sport either. When I was running competitively it was to run at my absolute best and compete at my peak which was going to happen during the outdoor season based on how track runners periodize. None of that was going to happen during the indoor season so I found it was better just to skip it altogether since I wasn't gaining anything from it.
How were you not gaining anything from it? What, you had to decrease your mileage by 5 mpw and skip out on some bogus "5k indicator" workouts? Nothing prepares you for a race better than racing.
Yes, if you're truly passionate about the sport, you should WANT to race at all points of the year. If you don't want to, then not racing at certain times is not delayed gratification...it's just doing what you want.
And I agree with the previous poster...what's the point of training if you never race? If you just want to be the best at exercising, go join crossfit.
This is a pure hobby jogger mentality. If you want to race for the sake of racing, that's fine, but not everybody shares that sentiment - including David Rudisha who never ran indoors, I guess he wasn't passionate about the sport either. When I was running competitively it was to run at my absolute best and compete at my peak which was going to happen during the outdoor season based on how track runners periodize. None of that was going to happen during the indoor season so I found it was better just to skip it altogether since I wasn't gaining anything from it.
Oooo...you played the hobby jogger card!
A hobby jogger is someone who doesn't get paid to run, so yes, I'm a hobby jogger. Based on your use of the past tense when discussing your own running, I take it you're not even a hobby jogger.
I still submit that not racing and just training puts running in the same category as crossfit and camp gladiator. I like running as a sport, not a fitness activity. If liking to compete makes me a hobby jogger (and it doesn't...not getting paid makes me a hobby jogger), I'll gladly wear the hobby jogger label.