OnAthletics is going after Colin Sahlman

I think that Adidas (specifically Tinman Elite) will pursue Sahlman and they will also pursue Brosnan to coach Tinman Elite. Brosnan has proven he can coach talented athletes at the highest level.

Hunter becomes the Hunted wrote:

I think that Adidas (specifically Tinman Elite) will pursue Sahlman and they will also pursue Brosnan to coach Tinman Elite. Brosnan has proven he can coach talented athletes at the highest level.

TinMom SubElite is not an adidas-sponsored group. Never was. Just had a once-prominent adidas athlete.

No reason why Sahlman doesn’t go pro. 3:58 legit.

I won't be surprised if Brosnan goes pro. he certainly has a knack for progressing guys. might as well take a shot to see if he can do it for grown adults.

it is such an american concept about overworking kids in high school. everybody thinks we should take it easy on them and let them develop later.

INgebrigtsen, kiplimo, kipchoge and so many more prove that is NOT the case.

Please no. When was the last time a male distance runner had success going pro out of high school?

If you're not good enough to win NCAA titles in high school, don't go pro.

high school xc coach wrote:

it is such an american concept about overworking kids in high school. everybody thinks we should take it easy on them and let them develop later.

INgebrigtsen, kiplimo, kipchoge and so many more prove that is NOT the case.

Thank you. I totally agree!

This is also the reason why America is bad at most true international sports that require large amounts of training.

(Tennis, cycling, distance running, soccer)

Gymnastics, swim, and figure skating are the only sports of this type that America is really good at and it’s because those sports do things counter-culturally. They actually train kids hard from young ages.

rhimby wrote:

Please no. When was the last time a male distance runner had success going pro out of high school?

If you're not good enough to win NCAA titles in high school, don't go pro.

Hobbs Kessler, Alan Webb, and Drew Hunter are/were successful pros. Hunter is going to break 13:00 this year I predict.

NP is the next Ingerbritsens wrote:

rhimby wrote:

Please no. When was the last time a male distance runner had success going pro out of high school?

If you're not good enough to win NCAA titles in high school, don't go pro.

Hobbs Kessler, Alan Webb, and Drew Hunter are/were successful pros. Hunter is going to break 13:00 this year I predict.

Kessler is too early to determine, Hunter is certainly not a "successful" pro, and Webb did a year at Michigan

NP is the next Ingerbritsens wrote:

rhimby wrote:

Please no. When was the last time a male distance runner had success going pro out of high school?

If you're not good enough to win NCAA titles in high school, don't go pro.

Hobbs Kessler, Alan Webb, and Drew Hunter are/were successful pros. Hunter is going to break 13:00 this year I predict.

He barely ran sub-13:00 pace for a 3k last week and his PR is 13:17. Granted that was before the super spikes, but he has not shown form to be breaking 13 minutes anytime soon.

The probably with going pro too early is that you get zero experience racing for the win at championships for at least 4-5 years, while your peers that went to college have tons of experience competing for NCAA championships. You're in a weird middle ground.

Kessler I understand because he was already running fast enough to break NCAA records. But a guy like Hunter with only a 3:57 mile and a barely sub 8 3k should have just gone to college.

Galen Rupp ring a bell?

airbfucnemw wrote:

Galen Rupp ring a bell?

He had a full collegiate career.

If you get offered money to run professionally out of college, you take the deal. He was at a pretty high peak of hype at that point

OACstan24 wrote:

If you get offered money to run professionally out of college, you take the deal. He was at a pretty high peak of hype at that point

Right I'm not saying financially it was a bad decision, but purely from a running standpoint I think NCAA is underrated for developing athletes. Honestly Adidas threw way too much money at him without any guidance.

rhimby wrote:

The probably with going pro too early is that you get zero experience racing for the win at championships for at least 4-5 years, while your peers that went to college have tons of experience competing for NCAA championships. You're in a weird middle ground.

The problem with every athlete that comes out of the G League is precisely that experience in hobbyjogging races which kneecaps their growth. They'd be better off without this "experience".

rhimby wrote:

airbfucnemw wrote:

Galen Rupp ring a bell?

He had a full collegiate career.

Technically he only did 3 outdoor seasons. He had one left that he didn't use. I think he burned all his XC eligibility though. The poster mentioning him does have a point. He trained hard wih a private personal coach starting early in high school; very similar to many American gymnasts and swimmers. He was effectively NOP training-wise prior to officially being a member. This is to say, he was on the Salazar training program as opposed to following some random high school coach's program of the sort various posters here are suggesting leaves one undertrained and not maximizing potential.

OozmaKappa wrote:

The problem with every athlete that comes out of the G League is precisely that experience in hobbyjogging races which kneecaps their growth. They'd be better off without this "experience".

You really should stop referring to NCAA running as the “G League” of running, since it’s obviously the NCAA basketball of running.

If you can pick up a $100k+ deal and do college part-time, that’s way better way to do it than going to college full time. It kind of seems like a forgone conclusion he’ll go sub 14 for 5k. I wonder why that is their criteria? In the grand scheme a 13:50 5k will be around 100 on the NCAA D1 outdoor list. I guess if they are expecting another 1 minute improvement over the next several years then it’s a great investment to get him early.