ICU providers, how are your units looking? Total COVID & Vaccinated vs Unvaccinated.

I just listened to a doctor on NPR who said that based on the statistics that we have so far, you're 20 times more likely to die of Covid if you're unvaxed and not boosted, than if you are.

It's crazy that people are still arguing about this stuff.

A couple of thank you's:

First, thank you for working in this field and having a heart for caring for people.

Second, thank you for not lying about the state of your ICUs. Sounds very reasonable - a few patients, almost entirely unvaccinated but not "overwhelmed". Sounds like you don't have a political agenda which is awesome.

GWT wrote:

I just listened to a doctor on NPR who said that based on the statistics that we have so far, you're 20 times more likely to die of Covid if you're unvaxed and not boosted, than if you are.

It's crazy that people are still arguing about this stuff.

Lol unvaxxed and also the not boosted? How many boosters do people need then? 100? And how long before the vaxxed qualify as not boosted? A couple months? So yeah, by that logic, then barely anyone at all is actually vaccinated plus boosted since the distinction wears off so fast.

Also, the ICUs have usually been full, especially PRE COVID. So saying an ICU is full is certainly not a revelation, it is more so an expectation than anything.

Why is the lying, grooming, manipulating mainstream media not fat educating since being overweight is the primarily contributor that can stop covid problems? One word: agenda. We need more sigmas to expose this fraud. The vulnerable/old people can protect themselves but others' livelihoods/rights/freedoms should not be sacrificed for a lab created and released virus laced with ulterior motives. Time to wake up.

Definitely have not been overwhelmed. This week hospital admission for COVID are up at both places, but not ICU admissions. Hopefully, it stays that way.

Ah yes, who am I to believe, some LR troll who calls himself "Steve the Addict"? OR The medical community at large? Let me see.. Mr Addict, why don't you address the OP and his observations from the hospital itself? Why don't you provide statistics that back your statements? I mean, you're much smarter than our medical experts who have studied the statistics. Instead of trying to spread the conspiracy theory that they're all in cahoots w/ big pharma, provide actual factual evidence that people aren't 20 times more likely to die of Covid if they're not vax'd.

For what it's worth, the NY Times has an interactive US national map with top level ICU stats per hospital here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-near-you.html

GWT wrote:

I just listened to a doctor on NPR who said that based on the statistics that we have so far, you're 20 times more likely to die of Covid if you're unvaxed and not boosted, than if you are.

It's crazy that people are still arguing about this stuff.

It's crazy for you to believe that.

What is unvaxxed and not boosted? All those who don't have 3 shots?

The odds of a person who is under age 80 and not sickly dying of Covid is tiny, vaxxed or not.

Stop fear mongering

[quote]GWT wrote:

Ah yes, who am I to believe, some LR troll who calls himself "Steve the Addict"? OR The medical community at large? Let me see.. Mr Addict, why don't you address the OP and his observations from the hospital itself? Why don't you provide statistics that back your statements? I mean, you're much smarter than our medical experts who have studied the statistics.

He asked a pretty good question. How many shots do you need to become other than unvaxxed and not boosted? I am guessing its 3 at this time. Surely those will 3 shots now will soon be called not boosted in the near future.

How many times are you willing to inject yourself with these mystery drugs out of fear of a virus that kills hardly any healthy people under age 80?

Do you not see any risk with endless boosters?

Why do you suppose reports to VAERS of death and negative outcomes due to the jab swamp all reports associated with all prior vaccines since VAERs began. Maybe a conspiracy of the anti Vaxxers?

About 30-40% of COVID deaths in the country right now (not 6 months ago, before delta that a lot of vaccine proponents are keen to include in their stats where they claim that vaccines reduce the risk of death by 99.9%) are among fully vaccinated individuals. Vaccines work to an extent, but not the 20:1 extent or 10:1 extent many people are claiming, especially against new variants. The vaccines appear to be basically worthless against Omicron. Time will tell how well the vaccines work against severe illness. Right now it is too early to draw conclusions one way or the other as to how severe an Omicron infection will end up being. Preliminary indications are that it is mild, but we really won't know for another month. Senators like Warren and Booker claiming they have mild illnesses a few days after being infected is essentially meaningless, as almost everyone that died from COVID had mild illnesses a few days after contracting COVID.

Do you not understand VAERS, or do you understand it but are intentionally misrepresenting what it is?

Please explain what I am missing.

Are you going to say just because something is reported to VAERs does not prove the death or negative result was in fact due to the jab?

That's true.

But then why so much more death and negative outcomes reported to VAERs in connection with the Jab than were reported in the last 30 years with all other vaccines combined? An anti vaxxer conspiracy?

carmine9 wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

Do you not understand VAERS, or do you understand it but are intentionally misrepresenting what it is?

Please explain what I am missing.

Are you going to say just because something is reported to VAERs does not prove the death or negative result was in fact due to the jab?

That's true.

So the misrepresentation on your part was intentional. OK.

I think Colin Powell was fully vaxxed.

Shrekt via Covid anyhow. RIP

The Lily Hammer wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

Please explain what I am missing.

Are you going to say just because something is reported to VAERs does not prove the death or negative result was in fact due to the jab?

That's true.

So the misrepresentation on your part was intentional. OK.

Gee. You left out the following.

But then why so much more death and negative outcomes reported to VAERs in connection with the Jab than were reported in the last 30 years with all other vaccines combined? An anti vaxxer conspiracy?

Seems we can all see who is guilty of misrepresentation.

Don't want to address that, do you?

carmine9 wrote:

The Lily Hammer wrote:

So the misrepresentation on your part was intentional. OK.

Gee. You left out the following.

But then why so much more death and negative outcomes reported to VAERs in connection with the Jab than were reported in the last 30 years with all other vaccines combined? An anti vaxxer conspiracy?

Seems we can all see who is guilty of misrepresentation.

Don't want to address that, do you?

Sure.

You originally posted that negative outcomes that were reported to VAERS were DUE TO THE JAB.

You then acknowledged that just because something is reported to VAERS DOES NOT PROVE that the death or negative outcome was due to the jab.

Your second statement shows that your first statement was an intentional misrepresentation.

I left out the last part of your post because (1) it was irrelevant to what I was commenting on (the question of whether your misrepresentation was due to ignorance or was intentional) and (2) it doesn't interest me.

To the OP, I apologize for sidetracking this thread.

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

For what it's worth, the NY Times has an interactive US national map with top level ICU stats per hospital here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-hospitals-near-you.html

You don't have to preface what you are going to say with "for what it's worth". Just stop with that crutch.

Our ICUs were beyond capacity for the Delta variant in August-September. Now, we have less than 5 patients (most of whom are not vaccinated) in our 2 main ICUs combined. Hopefully Omicron doesn't fill us up again. If it does happen, we are ready. Side note: our ICUs stay around 80% full year around and that includes prior to Covid.

The Lily Hammer wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

So the misrepresentation on your part was intentional. OK.

Gee. You left out the following.

But then why so much more death and negative outcomes reported to VAERs in connection with the Jab than were reported in the last 30 years with all other vaccines combined? An anti vaxxer conspiracy?

Seems we can all see who is guilty of misrepresentation.

Don't want to address that, do you?

Sure.

You originally posted that negative outcomes that were reported to VAERS were DUE TO THE JAB.

That's what VAERS is for. To report injuries due to the vaccines.

I thought everyone knew that

But then why so much more death and negative outcomes reported to VAERs in connection with the Jab than were reported in the last 30 years with all other vaccines combined?

Seems you don't care about this.

Wonder why?