Do/Did Arthur Lydiard or Renato Canova drink alcohol 🍺? Jack Daniels PhD?

Arthur drank beer a lot more than sometimes.

* Lies.

* Damned lies.

* Statistics.

There are a few reasons why some drinkers live longer than non-drinkers:

1) Those surveyed and asked if they are drinkers or no drinkers, often non-drinkers are alcoholics who have severely damaged their brains & bodies. Of course light to moderate drinkers are going to outlive someone who was a hard drinker from ages 20 to 60.

2) Alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers.

3) Expensive wine drinkers outlive everyone because they usually have great health insurance, have membership at fitness center, eat high quality food, live in good neighborhoods without toxic land & water pollution and of course are wealthier than average. Wealth trumps poverty.

Boulder bum wrote:

I understand A little bit of alcohol may be beneficial

(In what way?)

but it’s a slippery slope after that….

I don't think that anything is only beneficial or only detrimental. If you don't specify your target/goal/purpose, you'll just be pulled in a dozen different directions by people who agree or disagree with you also without stating their frames of reference.

Beer is probably not beneficial to your liver. Beer might be beneficial to your perceived quality of life. It's probably not a good choice for marathon aid stations. It might be great with a hamburger.

Spoiler alert:

That slippery slope is where the fully engaged live.

Arthur used to drink a lot of free milk at the end of his shift.

Alcohol is not good for you in any amount wrote:

2) Alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers.

by what proposed mechanism? I'm gonna get melanoma from drinking? Extraordinary claim, let's see the extraordinary proof.

To help you reevaluate any cognitive biases, alcohol is a significant byproduct of your own digestive processes. Not avoidable

Bad Wigins wrote:

Alcohol is not good for you in any amount wrote:

2) Alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers.

by what proposed mechanism? I'm gonna get melanoma from drinking? Extraordinary claim, let's see the extraordinary proof.

To help you reevaluate any cognitive biases, alcohol is a significant byproduct of your own digestive processes. Not avoidable

Are you trying to convince me or yourself of the benefits of alcohol consumption? Were you under the impression that alcohol lowers one's risk of testing positive for skin cancer?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Alcohol is not good for you in any amount wrote:

2) Alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers.

by what proposed mechanism? I'm gonna get melanoma from drinking? Extraordinary claim, let's see the extraordinary proof.

To help you reevaluate any cognitive biases, alcohol is a significant byproduct of your own digestive processes. Not avoidable

Okay, Lance.

Doesn’t Molly Seidel chug Athletic Brew Beers? And desi linden drinks whisky

Camille Herron drinks beer and talks about how it’s maybe good for bone density with the silicon ?

I remember reading a story of Lydiard taking Dick Taylor out for a beer to relax him the night before he won the 1974 Commonwealth Games 10,000m.

Schlongmont wrote:

Doesn’t Molly Seidel chug Athletic Brew Beers? And desi linden drinks whisky

Camille Herron drinks beer and talks about how it’s maybe good for bone density with the silicon ?

Bone density? Really? Alcohol is a diuretic. You can discuss John Walker rewarding himself with six plus pints of beer after winning Olympic gold, 1500m, 1976. Help with bone density? Absolutely not.

Alcohol is not good for you in any amount wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

by what proposed mechanism? I'm gonna get melanoma from drinking? Extraordinary claim, let's see the extraordinary proof.

To help you reevaluate any cognitive biases, alcohol is a significant byproduct of your own digestive processes. Not avoidable

Are you trying to convince me or yourself of the benefits of alcohol consumption? Were you under the impression that alcohol lowers one's risk of testing positive for skin cancer?

are you going to whiff at straw men or try to prove your claim that "alcohol, in any amount increases risks for all cancers?"

I think you already folded at melanoma or you would have tried. It's not plausible that drinking any amount of alcohol (such as the 1 drink a week your own gut produces) raises your risk of that.

Results

A total of 1,374 cases of invasive melanoma were documented during 3,855,706 person-years of follow-up. There was an association between higher alcohol intake and incidence of invasive melanoma (pooled multivariate HR 1.14; 95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.00–1.29] per drink/d, p trend = 0.04). Among alcoholic beverages, white wine consumption was associated with an increased risk of melanoma (pooled multivariate HR 1.13 [95% CI: 1.04–1.24] per drink/d, p trend <0.01) after adjusting for other alcoholic beverages. The association between alcohol consumption and melanoma risk was stronger for melanoma in relatively UV-spared sites (trunk) versus more UV-exposed sites (head, neck, or extremities). Compared to non-drinkers, the pooled multivariate-adjusted HRs for ≥20g/d of alcohol were 1.02 (95% CI: 0.64–1.62; P trend =0.25) for melanomas of the head, neck, and extremities and 1.73 (95% CI: 1.25–2.38; P trend =0.02) for melanomas of the trunk.

Conclusions

Alcohol intake was associated with a modest increase in the risk of melanoma, particularly in UV-protected sites.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5137801/

Schlongmont wrote:

Doesn’t Molly Seidel chug Athletic Brew Beers? And desi linden drinks whisky

Camille Herron drinks beer and talks about how it’s maybe good for bone density with the silicon ?

Athletic Brew Beer is NA.

A little bit isn't going be harmful. When you start doing it daily, it starts to affect your life and training is when it becomes harmful. Two beers on a Saturday after your long run isn't probably going improve your training but it's not the end of the world. It'll probably actually improve some people running on here with how neurotic they are.

There are health benefits to hops. But like most things it needs to be in low moderation. However even in moderation alcohol will dehydrate you. So as an athlete you need to take that into consideration. I do think the occasional beer at the right time is no big deal. Just be sure to drink enough water.

Also know you genetics. If alcoholism runs in your family then you probably should still clear altogether. Liver cancer, drunk driving… will certainly kill you.

I've given the argument before that I believe alcohol can[/b ]improve your training. No, I'm not saying you'll be fitter if you drink, but running is such a mental sport, the motivation of looking forward to having a few drinks with the boys after training improves motivation levels and therefore performance.

Yes, some people can self-motivate without any assistance, but we are not all robots. I personally became fitter after I started to regularly enjoy a post-workout pint.

British Guy wrote:

I've given the argument before that I believe alcohol can[/b ]improve your training. No, I'm not saying you'll be fitter if you drink, but running is such a mental sport, the motivation of looking forward to having a few drinks with the boys after training improves motivation levels and therefore performance.

Yes, some people can self-motivate without any assistance, but we are not all robots. I personally became fitter after I started to regularly enjoy a post-workout pint.

Oh god, not sure what happened with the bold text there...

Yes he did. I had beer and pizza with him when he came to Ottawa to give a talk in the National Capital Marathon pre-race clinics back in the 70s.

Renato is Italian, if he doesn't drink red wine then I'm a duck!