Cal vs USC football game CANCELLED after Cal covid outbreak

It takes a very long time for the CDC to generate the relative risk chart. Unsure why they have such terrible reporting lags. Virginia does just fine.

Berenson’s conflating of “hasn’t updated” with “stopped updating” is the same grifter BS he’s used this whole time. The CDC published the data through the August in mid October and haven’t updated it since.

It’s painful for one of these sites owners to be a Berenson reader and believe. He’s the equivalent of the Shelby deniers for vaccines. Switching endpoints, slicing cohorts, excluding population data, etc.

Here’s the recent VA data

https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/see-the-numbers/covid-19-in-virginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/

Here’s the recent Israeli data

https://twitter.com/jsm2334/status/1458139222737506304?s=21

Two weeks to slow the spread then we'll be fine.

I don't know why we need a vaccine at all. Trump promised us that there would only be 15 total cases, and those would be easily knocked out by drinking bleach and injecting Lysol.

I have been fully vaccinated since late January and was all in favor of vaccinations. However, it is becoming more and more clear that the vaccine is not effective. I work on a US military base and we did not wear masks for about six months from spring until early fall. Then suddenly everyone had to wear them again, vaccinated or not. The return of masks happened over night. If the vaccine was working we would be seeing an ever decreasing number of positive cases, roughly the inverse curve of the number of vaccinated individuals. The current administration has pushed vaccinations so hard that to admit that the current vaccine is not as effective as they thought would absolutely doom the Democrats in both 2022 and 2024. It would be political suicide to admit this. But I can see no other explanation for what we are seeing - return of masks, increasing Covid cases, a "booster" becoming necessary, and now a football game being cancelled. If the current vaccines do not work, fine. Let the researchers go back to the drawing board and start over.

Measure twice, cut once. It seems like they just eyeballed the measurement and cut with a dull saw.

donald j drumpf wrote:

Trump promised us that there would only be 15 total cases, and those would be easily knocked out by drinking bleach and injecting Lysol.

Link to this quote, please.

rojo wrote:

At first, we were told to stay in side to flatten the curve and save the hospitals.. 1.5 years later, the goal seems to be zero infections period even among the super healthy and vaccinated. This is insanity…..

….Why in the world are they even testing vaccinated players for Covid in the first place?

So insane that a public university is engaging in procedures that eliminate risk…

rojo wrote:

2) Now that we have vaccines (plus a therapeutic) for everyone save those under 5, it's time to get back to our lives.

What are some activities that involve you “getting back to your life” that you currently cannot participate in due to mandates/restrictions?

OK, whatever.

the macdaddy og yoo wrote:

What are some activities that involve you “getting back to your life” that you currently cannot participate in due to mandates/restrictions?

I think the one thing we know in all of this is that we don't know. Everytime someone thinks they are right wait a few months and we'll all agree they were wrong. It like the ocean, it just keeps coming and we're all powerless against it.

What can't I do? There's plenty. The biggest thing is I can't live my life without fear of someone getting upset about something. I don't know whether to give people a hug, fist bump, or wave from a distance. My kids can't go to watch their friends play volleyball/basketball at school. My kids are wearing masks at school. I'm never quite sure if it's appropriate to take business meetings in person or on the phone. Similar for visiting grandparents. Kids camps and activities are still mostly getting cancelled. I had my kids enrolled in soccer camp over Thanksgiving and that was cancelled (due to low turnout but it never had low turnout in normal times). We can't tour schools for our kids to go to next year (at least the public ones). Etc...

I don’t understand Rojo a bunch of the time.

His family is super Covid cautious yet he starts this thread.

If a bunch of the players have Covid they’re not going to play. That’s pretty simple. I haven’t bothered to do any googling but what is hard to understand about that.

It’s like my wife, she is tested for Covid at work once a week despite being vaxxed. If she gets Covid they’ll tell her not to come to work for some period of time.

Ok I did some googling . 24 Cal players have Covid. You think the university is going to let them play?!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32593272/usc-cal-football-game-postponed-due-covid-19-cases-golden-bears

wejo wrote:

I don’t understand Rojo a bunch of the time.

His family is super Covid cautious yet he starts this thread.

If a bunch of the players have Covid they’re not going to play. That’s pretty simple. I haven’t bothered to do any googling but what is hard to understand about that.

It’s like my wife, she is tested for Covid at work once a week despite being vaxxed. If she gets Covid they’ll tell her not to come to work for some period of time.

Ok I did some googling . 24 Cal players have Covid. You think the university is going to let them play?!

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32593272/usc-cal-football-game-postponed-due-covid-19-cases-golden-bears

thank you for some perspective on an issue that is very prone to divisive quarreling,

And I changed part of the title to remove the part despite ‘99% of cal team being vaccinated’

Robert knows the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread . It may dampen it to some extent but the title made it sound like he thinks the vaccine doesn’t do anything when he would say it is effective at preventing severe outcomes .

Covid has been in the US roughly 2 years. The vaccine has been around roughly 1 year.

Number of deaths in year 1 vs. year 2, roughly the same.

You'd think there would be some sort of re-evaluation.

In this particular case, the players are upset because they got tested when they didn't need

to be. So there are 24, probably symptom-less, players testing positive and now the game is

cancelled. How many teams, if they tested them, would have had the same thing? More than

1 I'm sure. They are going to play and nothing bad is going to happen.

Bringing this back to running. It is the same thing. Most schools are not testing, so it is unlikely

that teams are going to miss regionals--except for probably Cal I guess.

The Surveillance Testing Industrial Complex will be impossible to dismantle.

Absolutely stupid to test asymptomatic vaccinated 20 year olds. This is pointless insanity.

If 24 players on a team were sick with the flu (unlikely since flu isn’t nearly as contagious as COVID), I highly doubt Cal would be playing either…

What an inane premise.

The CDC stopped tracking breakthrough infections in May because they knew it would make the public skeptical of vaccination after the data started coming in from Israel and the UK. In the UK, 87% of cases in the most recent surveillance report for those over 30 are among vaccinated individuals (a demographic where the fully vaccinated rate is about 90%).

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1031157/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-44.pdf

The interesting thing from the UK is that infection rates are actually higher among those vaccinated who are 30 and above than the unvaccinated [this is likely because the unvaccinated likely have natural immunity and are as much as 40 times less likely to experience an infection than the previously vaccinated (at this point in the UK,1.5% of cases are reinfections, 60% or so are breakthrough infections and most of the non-breakthrough infections (81.5%) are in those under 18].

The truth is that among the college aged, COVID is not any more of a threat than the seasonal flu and we are fast approaching the point where the vaccinated are almost just as likely as the unvaccinated to catch and spread COVID (because most of the unvaccinated have likely already had COVID and actually have better immunity than the vaxxed, which is why vaccine mandates are just plain wrong and provide a false sense of security) . After six months, the J&J single shot is about 13% effective, the Pfizer is in the low 40s and Moderna is in the mid to upper 50s.

Scientifically speaking, it makes more sense to mandate boosters among the previously vaccinated than it does to mandate vaccines in the unvaccinated as the bulk of the spread is now coming from the previously vaccinated.