PAC12 XC turns in perhaps the most pathetic course in all of XC. Course just loops around recreational soccer fields for 6K/8K

How are we liking the Apalachee Regional Park now?

I mean to be fair a course at a place like Soldier Hollow would give a ridiculously unfair advantage teams at altitude.

This is actually the same complex that just hosted the high school championship races. It isn't quite as bad as it seems, but is one of the few places that has sufficient parking and the ability to charge admission in Utah.

It is also only 2 miles from the golf course where Utah has hosted multiple NCAA regional meets.

I know why the high school association moved the meet there, I was surprised the PAC 12 was using the same venue.

It isn't actually as bad as the course map seems, there is some very slight elevation change and less manicured grass out in the corner of the complex.

SMH what a joke. Running around manicured soccer fields with literally 0 feet of elevation change.

What a joke.

Look, i get it. You want to post fast times. You don't want to kill runners on a brutal course before the meets that actually matter, but this is absurd. These are college athletes. Give them a challenge.

Here's five options that would be better.

1. The park behind the Olympic oval in Kearns. Hilly. Varied terrain.

2. The salt flats. Sure it's flat, but at least it's not four laps around the soccer fields. Plus you could probably get some amazing photos!

3. A golf course. Any of them.

4. Sugar house park. At least there would be some hills.

5. Soldier hollow. It's an unfair advantage? Boo hoo. Cry me a river and we'll add it to the course as an obstacle.

As a bonus: cross e ranch corn maze. Nice and flat for these pampered athletes. Dirt, so it's not grass. Downside is some may get lost but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Haven’t been to SLC in a while, but it seems like Sugarhouse Park would have been a perfectly good place to host the meet.

I believe that’s where the Utah HS Championship used to be held

CoachStucki wrote:

This is actually the same complex that just hosted the high school championship races. It isn't quite as bad as it seems, but is one of the few places that has sufficient parking and the ability to charge admission in Utah.

Big high school meets, ones like regional, district, state meet, invitationals, or whatever, will have A LOT more spectators than the PAC 12 conference meet will have. Parking should not be as big of a consideration.

The can't have it at Mt Sac, the World's Most Storied, Most Famous, Most Honored, Most Awarded, and Toughest Cross Country Course ever devised.

Easy fix: no school without both men's and women's teams should be barred from hosting. That means Utah, Oregon State, and USC.

I can't say I have been to this course, but it appears this course is incredibly spectator friendly. As someone who enjoys watching XC, it would be a welcome change to be able to see the runners throughout a large majority of the course.

Smoke weed, talk sh!t like Lane Kiffin wrote:

Easy fix: no school without both men's and women's teams should be barred from hosting. That means Utah, Oregon State, and USC.

I’m not someone that normally corrects grammar on forums but the way you wrote the above, Utah, Oregon State, and USC, should not be barred from hosting.

Perhaps you smoked too much weed this morning

Makes it possible for Robert Johnson to get the Oregon women DEXA scans each lap and pull them from the race if their body fat percentage is too high.

not having a mens team should disqualify Utah from hosting

WHAT ?!!! A championship meet that isn't an Oregon home meet? Is that even allowed?

hey, weed smoker! wrote:

Smoke weed, talk sh!t like Lane Kiffin wrote:

Easy fix: no school without both men's and women's teams should be barred from hosting. That means Utah, Oregon State, and USC.

I’m not someone that normally corrects grammar on forums but the way you wrote the above, Utah, Oregon State, and USC, should not be barred from hosting.

Perhaps you smoked too much weed this morning

You're right about that! I meant to use "any" rather than "no."

This is like that airport runway that Kipchoge ran that weird marathon on, a year ago or so.

Get a life loser. It’s at altitude as well. If it was a hilly hard course you would be crying about how unfair that is as well. Course isn’t as easy as it looks. Based off the times, it was still harder than most championships.

Bruce Banner wrote:

5. Soldier hollow. It's an unfair advantage? Boo hoo. Cry me a river and we'll add it to the course as an obstacle.

You have won the internet for today. No further posts will be considered.

The times are probably only slow because of the altitude factor. And tbh how much are the tiny little bumps they call "hills" on oregon/california golf courses really going to slow down these caliber of athletes? Most courses from these pacific coast schools are grass tracks because they want to run fast. The wussification of america.