After this morning’s result I’m struggling to find enjoyment in following this sport

You're an idiot - The Tokyo 10k was run under oppressive heat and humidity. Gidey tried to push the pace hard in the middle 5-6k to drop hassan but was unsuccessful, paid the price, and everyone knows she lacks a kick

If you can't be amazed and "joyful" after this half marathon this morning, maybe look into therapy to think through your issues

RunningFromTime wrote:

You're an idiot - The Tokyo 10k was run under oppressive heat and humidity. Gidey tried to push the pace hard in the middle 5-6k to drop hassan but was unsuccessful, paid the price, and everyone knows she lacks a kick

If you can't be amazed and "joyful" after this half marathon this morning, maybe look into therapy to think through your issues

Insulting me like that says more about yourself than it does about me. I acknowledged her lack of a kick. This is an incredible result and sets an entirely new standard for the women’s 1/2-marathon. People were skeptical of kipchoge running 2:01 And he’s the undeniable marathon goat. This performance is arguably a bigger outlier, skepticism is fair.

notsatirepost wrote:

RunningFromTime wrote:

You're an idiot - The Tokyo 10k was run under oppressive heat and humidity. Gidey tried to push the pace hard in the middle 5-6k to drop hassan but was unsuccessful, paid the price, and everyone knows she lacks a kick

If you can't be amazed and "joyful" after this half marathon this morning, maybe look into therapy to think through your issues

Insulting me like that says more about yourself than it does about me. I acknowledged her lack of a kick. This is an incredible result and sets an entirely new standard for the women’s 1/2-marathon. People were skeptical of kipchoge running 2:01 And he’s the undeniable marathon goat. This performance is arguably a bigger outlier, skepticism is fair.

+1

A differing of opinion is not a reason to sling bad names at others. Certainly more of a reflection of the man writing it than anything else.

notsatirepost wrote:

To find a similar improvement in the men’s half, you have to go all the way back to 2006.

This sentences is really something. You have to go all the way back to 2006, you say? Well.

It’s up to you whether you enjoy it or not. Track surface improves, shoes improve, training and nutrition improves, and yes in some cases doping improves.

I try not worry about things I can’t control. All I can think about is that this race will barely get a mention on Sportscenter, but if Gidey was American, she’d be on Jimmy Kimmel tomorrow.

So your extreme disappointment is based on:

1) a comparison to a 10 km run under ridiculous conditions,

2) Vdot tables that you admit are arguably incorrect for the distance, and

3) improvement on a record that was demonstrably weak for the distance (today's result brings the women's world record to within 9.2% of the men's which is basically the exact differential you'd expect).

Each piece of evidence you rely on does not support your outcome.

When sonething seems like doping in this sport, it is. It is PEDs.

I can understand why the OP is unhappy.

WADA only disqualifies the athletes WADA catches via WADA tests. Individual country federations do not have the same standards for drug usage for their athletes.

USADA is strict in their standards for American athletes. But until WADA standards are the main governing standard for all training under which each federation must comply with uniformly, it is going to result in one or two countries dominating and may squish the dreams of aspiring Western athletes who do follow the standard that they may never get there.

And yes...it will be less fun for those watching because we won't have a qualifying champion for a medal hope.

For that reason, I really hope Hocker is clean because he's one of our last chances for competitive Americans.

It's pretty sad that you can't enjoy accomplishments in our sport. Why do you even watch? The whole point is to appreciate how athletes push the boundaries of what is possible.

Be truthful. The disappointment stems from the fact that an African woman just la it d down a mark that only a handful of American men can run. If she jumped up to a marathon, based on today's result, she could make our mens Olympic squad and possibly be ranked #1 except for Galen Rupp.

Dope. Super shoes. Whatever excuse you want to throw at her. American (European also) long distance running needs to undergo a wholesale change of training methodology and risk taking if it ever wants to sniff at being competitive again. Performances like this are a wakeup call or proof that we are less than exceptional in this endeavor.

The Daniels tables don’t mean a whole lot. They are not the word of God. There are just too many examples of people who’ve run distance x in time y but can’t run the “equivalent” time for distance z.

She ran strong and looked unbeatable! If everyone is doping, has the same super shoes, and had the same extremely fast course, it was incredible performance! You can’t control who shows up, the weather, and the alignment of the stars! Enjoy it or don’t enjoy it, it is your problem. Rant away, I’m sure the Rojo and Wojo enjoy the trolls clicking away.

astro wrote:

When sonething seems like doping in this sport, it is. It is PEDs.

Indeed.

Dog Trainer Elite wrote:

Be truthful. The disappointment stems from the fact that an African woman just la it d down a mark that only a handful of American men can run. If she jumped up to a marathon, based on today's result, she could make our mens Olympic squad and possibly be ranked #1 except for Galen Rupp.

Dope. Super shoes. Whatever excuse you want to throw at her. American (European also) long distance running needs to undergo a wholesale change of training methodology and risk taking if it ever wants to sniff at being competitive again. Performances like this are a wakeup call or proof that we are less than exceptional in this endeavor.

Um..she was 2 mins behind an American male who might at some point be in the list of about 15 with a chance at being top 3 at the trials. So no there is not a even a decent chance she would make the US men’s team.

Now there are ton’s of countries she would be the top male half marathoner.

Tomorrow Never Knows wrote:

astro wrote:

When sonething seems like doping in this sport, it is. It is PEDs.

Indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/aug/04/doping-hotspot-ethiopia-drug-testing-epo

So in your country doping is hidden and in Ethiopia is out in the open?

Hypocrite much?

She has a longer stride. That's how it works, stride lengths are evolving. There is no drug that can do this for you. There is simply no such drug.

Yeah it's pretty rampant with PED use. Easy to beat the testing. early reminiscent of the Lance Armstrong cycling days.

Yeah, I preferred running when non-African men were winning races in 2:10. All these fast times are making Americans and Europeans look really bad