When do we end this? Covid is quite low in NYC and we're up to 72% of all people, regardless of age, vaccinated. 85% of adults. just 39 hospitalizations per day and falling fast. Out of 8 million.
Is it time? Do they really expect us to run intervals at near max heart rate with a mask on? I'm out.
Maybe this is an out of date website though.
https://www.armorytrack.com/gprofile.php?do=title&title_id=814&mgroup_id=45586
Granted, it was before vaccines, but they had people race in masks last year.
Meanwhile, in Ann Arbor, College Station, University Park, Tuscaloosa, Columbus, Baton Rouge, and Knoxville ...
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The blue states have signed their death certificate. It is over for them in their current condition.
new yerkeroo wrote:
When do we end this? Covid is quite low in NYC and we're up to 72% of all people, regardless of age, vaccinated. 85% of adults. just 39 hospitalizations per day and falling fast. Out of 8 million.
Is it time? Do they really expect us to run intervals at near max heart rate with a mask on? I'm out.
Maybe this is an out of date website though.
https://www.armorytrack.com/gprofile.php?do=title&title_id=814&mgroup_id=45586
End what? Run outside like an adult.
At least requiring masks while running on an indoor track is nothing compared to required maskings during running an outdoor marathon! The San Francisco marathon at a mask requirement at certain check-points and would DQ you if they caught you not wearing it.
https://www.thesfmarathon.com/race-week-health-protocols/
If I signed up for this race, I would demand a refund!
NYC doesn’t have an indoor mask mandate. If this is policy, it’s the Armory’s (incredibly stupid virtue signaling BS) choice.
This kind of behavior and these kind of policies seem to only be taking place in the most liberal of areas, so NYC and San Fran type cities and I unfortunately don’t see a return to “normal” in these places anytime soon.
However, the good news is that in my experience most of the country, especially the South and parts of the Midwest have completely returned to life pre Covid-19.
We can end this when God-king Fauci says so. Until then, double mask and double vaxx!
energeticlotuseater wrote:
This kind of behavior and these kind of policies seem to only be taking place in the most liberal of areas, so NYC and San Fran type cities and I unfortunately don’t see a return to “normal” in these places anytime soon.
However, the good news is that in my experience most of the country, especially the South and parts of the Midwest have completely returned to life pre Covid-19.
to be fair, there's a chicken and the egg issue here...parts of the South and Midwest are STILL in the middle of COVID outbreaks, while blue states have largely beaten back the disease.
So is the mask wearing in blue areas keeping the Democrats safe while the no-mask red areas are STILL the deadly areas?
I mean look at a covid map. It's still trump country that is being hit hard by this thing.
new yerkeroo wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
This kind of behavior and these kind of policies seem to only be taking place in the most liberal of areas, so NYC and San Fran type cities and I unfortunately don’t see a return to “normal” in these places anytime soon.
However, the good news is that in my experience most of the country, especially the South and parts of the Midwest have completely returned to life pre Covid-19.
to be fair, there's a chicken and the egg issue here...parts of the South and Midwest are STILL in the middle of COVID outbreaks, while blue states have largely beaten back the disease.
So is the mask wearing in blue areas keeping the Democrats safe while the no-mask red areas are STILL the deadly areas?
I mean look at a covid map. It's still trump country that is being hit hard by this thing.
Don't make this political. We've been through the cycle already and it will repeat: warm, southern states fair worse in the summer because everyone stays indoors to escape the heat and bask in the A/C; cold, northern states fair worse in the winter where everyone hunkers down indoors and deploys the heat.
silvery gold wrote:
new yerkeroo wrote:
to be fair, there's a chicken and the egg issue here...parts of the South and Midwest are STILL in the middle of COVID outbreaks, while blue states have largely beaten back the disease.
So is the mask wearing in blue areas keeping the Democrats safe while the no-mask red areas are STILL the deadly areas?
I mean look at a covid map. It's still trump country that is being hit hard by this thing.
Don't make this political. We've been through the cycle already and it will repeat: warm, southern states fair worse in the summer because everyone stays indoors to escape the heat and bask in the A/C; cold, northern states fair worse in the winter where everyone hunkers down indoors and deploys the heat.
that was pre-vaccine.
NYC has vaccinated around 85% of adults and is now working on the kids.
No one knows, but how can that not change the old patterns? Why would you expect that high vax levels won't change last winter's patterns? THey had no vaccine in the last winter.
Certainly, the current worst covid hotspots are also low-vaccination places, which suggest vaccinations are working in blue areas. But lots of cross currents.
Not sure about during practice, but at least it seems like racing will be mask-free according to the Armory website:
"The Armory's current policy is that masks can be removed when actively competing in a track & field event. Immediately prior to and after competition, masks must be worn. As the policy currently stands, CityTrack & Little Feet participants will be required to wear masks during after school sessions in the arena."
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new yerkeroo wrote:
silvery gold wrote:
Don't make this political. We've been through the cycle already and it will repeat: warm, southern states fair worse in the summer because everyone stays indoors to escape the heat and bask in the A/C; cold, northern states fair worse in the winter where everyone hunkers down indoors and deploys the heat.
that was pre-vaccine.
NYC has vaccinated around 85% of adults and is now working on the kids.
No one knows, but how can that not change the old patterns? Why would you expect that high vax levels won't change last winter's patterns? THey had no vaccine in the last winter.
Certainly, the current worst covid hotspots are also low-vaccination places, which suggest vaccinations are working in blue areas. But lots of cross currents.
Which kind of proves the point I’ve been trying to make.
Cities like New York and San Francisco are some of the most vaccinated places in America. However, despite this, these places also have some of the strictest masking & Covid policies in America as well-this Armory example in New York and the San Fran Marathon masking rule are just two examples. New York City also has that proof of vaccine rule to enter a bar or restaurant-San Francisco may have something similar.
What does this mean? I don’t see San Fran or New York returning to pre-Covid life anytime soon. You could have 100% of their residents vaccinated and I don’t see these mandates or restrictions going away.
energeticlotuseater wrote:Cities like New York and San Francisco are some of the most vaccinated places in America. However, despite this, these places also have some of the strictest masking & Covid policies in America as well-this Armory example in New York and the San Fran Marathon masking rule are just two examples.
SF Marathon is not a good example. The mask requirement in that race was not imposed by the race directors, the city of SF, or any local gov't. They were paying lip service to the NPS rules (ie federal govt), which require masks in congested outdoor areas of NPS land. Multiple racers reported here later that rangers and race officials were not enforcing this rule, unsurprisingly.
It is silly though if the Armory is voluntarily creating requirements in excess of NYC rules.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
new yerkeroo wrote:
that was pre-vaccine.
NYC has vaccinated around 85% of adults and is now working on the kids.
No one knows, but how can that not change the old patterns? Why would you expect that high vax levels won't change last winter's patterns? THey had no vaccine in the last winter.
Certainly, the current worst covid hotspots are also low-vaccination places, which suggest vaccinations are working in blue areas. But lots of cross currents.
Which kind of proves the point I’ve been trying to make.
Cities like New York and San Francisco are some of the most vaccinated places in America. However, despite this, these places also have some of the strictest masking & Covid policies in America as well-this Armory example in New York and the San Fran Marathon masking rule are just two examples. New York City also has that proof of vaccine rule to enter a bar or restaurant-San Francisco may have something similar.
What does this mean? I don’t see San Fran or New York returning to pre-Covid life anytime soon. You could have 100% of their residents vaccinated and I don’t see these mandates or restrictions going away.
sounds like this is sort of a semantics debate.
To me, having everything open, shows going, bars, restaurants open... and almost no one dying of COVID...IS returning to pre-covid life. If we have to be vaccinated and wear a mask in restaurants and stores - who cares, that's fine, we're alive and going about our business. Functional equivalent of 'pre-covid life.'
To you, it sounds, wearing a mask indoors matters a lot and is disruptive and keeps us from going back to pre-covid life.
Is that fair?
new yerkeroo wrote:
silvery gold wrote:
Don't make this political. We've been through the cycle already and it will repeat: warm, southern states fair worse in the summer because everyone stays indoors to escape the heat and bask in the A/C; cold, northern states fair worse in the winter where everyone hunkers down indoors and deploys the heat.
that was pre-vaccine.
NYC has vaccinated around 85% of adults and is now working on the kids.
No one knows, but how can that not change the old patterns? Why would you expect that high vax levels won't change last winter's patterns? THey had no vaccine in the last winter.
Certainly, the current worst covid hotspots are also low-vaccination places, which suggest vaccinations are working in blue areas. But lots of cross currents.
It could very well be that the winter mirrors the summer up north, but there is no indication that will happen. We saw a very significant difference this summer in hospitalization rates, and while some of that is surely due to more vaccine hesitancy in southern states as a whole, I also think the difference in vaccination rates is largely overstated and unlikely to explain the significant case outcome difference.
Many of the southern states have around 50% of the entire population fully vaccinated, whereas most northern states have around 60%. Texas is at 52.6%, and Illinois is at 54.2%, but cases were five times as high (per capita) in Texas. The difference is TX is miserable in the summer and while it's reasonably pleasant in IL.
new yerkeroo wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Which kind of proves the point I’ve been trying to make.
Cities like New York and San Francisco are some of the most vaccinated places in America. However, despite this, these places also have some of the strictest masking & Covid policies in America as well-this Armory example in New York and the San Fran Marathon masking rule are just two examples. New York City also has that proof of vaccine rule to enter a bar or restaurant-San Francisco may have something similar.
What does this mean? I don’t see San Fran or New York returning to pre-Covid life anytime soon. You could have 100% of their residents vaccinated and I don’t see these mandates or restrictions going away.
sounds like this is sort of a semantics debate.
To me, having everything open, shows going, bars, restaurants open... and almost no one dying of COVID...IS returning to pre-covid life. If we have to be vaccinated and wear a mask in restaurants and stores - who cares, that's fine, we're alive and going about our business. Functional equivalent of 'pre-covid life.'
To you, it sounds, wearing a mask indoors matters a lot and is disruptive and keeps us from going back to pre-covid life.
Is that fair?
This is fair.
If I have to keep my shot records on me in order to have a “night out on the town” or I have to wear a mask when I’m indoors I do not consider us “returned to normal”.
Vaccines are available to whoever wants one, once vaccinated you have less than a 1% chance of people hospitalized due to covid. If you yourself personally choose to wear a face mask inside while also being vaccinated then your chances of being hospitalized drop even further.
All I’m asking for is a return to common sense and personal responsibility. Over the past two years Covid has made us obsessed with controlling eachothers bodies. Ironically, it’s usually the Democrats, historically the party of bodily autonomy, that has been the leaders in this newly found obsession.
new yerkeroo wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
This kind of behavior and these kind of policies seem to only be taking place in the most liberal of areas, so NYC and San Fran type cities and I unfortunately don’t see a return to “normal” in these places anytime soon.
However, the good news is that in my experience most of the country, especially the South and parts of the Midwest have completely returned to life pre Covid-19.
to be fair, there's a chicken and the egg issue here...parts of the South and Midwest are STILL in the middle of COVID outbreaks, while blue states have largely beaten back the disease.
So is the mask wearing in blue areas keeping the Democrats safe while the no-mask red areas are STILL the deadly areas?
I mean look at a covid map. It's still trump country that is being hit hard by this thing.
A month ago called, they want there stats back. Florida has some of the lowest transmission rates in the country right now.
new yerkeroo wrote:
To me, having everything open, shows going, bars, restaurants open... and almost no one dying of COVID...IS returning to pre-covid life. If we have to be vaccinated and wear a mask in restaurants and stores - who cares, that's fine, we're alive and going about our business. Functional equivalent of 'pre-covid life.'
To you, it sounds, wearing a mask indoors matters a lot and is disruptive and keeps us from going back to pre-covid life.
Is that fair?
Wearing a mask is not fvcking normal you moron. Yes, wearing a mask is a big deal and I’m completely tired of it. I’m vaxxed, I did my part, maskers can GFT.
