Is Tyson Fury the goat

The Irish have always been per capita the most dangerous and effective fighters on the planet.

Peak M. Ali in his twenties was better than peak T. Fury. A young Ali was too fit, too quick and too agile for T. Fury. By age 30, Ali was on the back nine. Interesting fact pointed out by Mike Tyson. Ali never threw a body punch, all head shots. I have gone back and looked at old Ali fights on youtube, not one body punch to be seen.

Peak Ali v. T. Fury wrote:

Peak M. Ali in his twenties was better than peak T. Fury. A young Ali was too fit, too quick and too agile for T. Fury. By age 30, Ali was on the back nine. Interesting fact pointed out by Mike Tyson. Ali never threw a body punch, all head shots. I have gone back and looked at old Ali fights on youtube, not one body punch to be seen.

Fury is 33. Fury and Ali both fighting at 33 would be very bad news for Ali. Also, yes about Ali which makes a 6' 9" guy harder to hit in the face. Ali struggled with Frazer and lost to Spinks. Fury would destroy Ali.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The Irish have always been per capita the most dangerous and effective fighters on the planet.

But we are not talking about terrorists killing civilians, we are speaking about heavy weight boxing champs.

Most heavy weight champs in the last 25 years have been Russian. Fury is a goat but in recent memory how many other Irish champs have there been.

great fight wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

The Irish have always been per capita the most dangerous and effective fighters on the planet.

But we are not talking about terrorists killing civilians, we are speaking about heavy weight boxing champs.

Champs like Tyson Fury and John L Sullivan, not terrorists like the British army.

I detect a bit of salt about the "British" champ being an Irishman yet again.

great fight wrote:

Peak Ali v. T. Fury wrote:

Peak M. Ali in his twenties was better than peak T. Fury. A young Ali was too fit, too quick and too agile for T. Fury. By age 30, Ali was on the back nine. Interesting fact pointed out by Mike Tyson. Ali never threw a body punch, all head shots. I have gone back and looked at old Ali fights on youtube, not one body punch to be seen.

Fury is 33. Fury and Ali both fighting at 33 would be very bad news for Ali. Also, yes about Ali which makes a 6' 9" guy harder to hit in the face. Ali struggled with Frazer and lost to Spinks. Fury would destroy Ali.

Obviously the comparison would be when Ali and Fury were at their peak. For Ali, that would have been during 60s before his 3.5 year break. He had outstanding hand speed, mobility and could duck out of the way of punches. He wasn't a body puncher but I think he would have been fast enough to tattoo Fury's face with jabs and straight rights.

Tyson would swarm Fury and fight from the inside and land heavy blows to the body. Foreman was a very hard puncher with much better technique than Wilder. He also had more stamina than Wilder showed on Saturday.

great fight wrote:

Most heavy weight champs in the last 25 years have been Russian. Fury is a goat but in recent memory how many other Irish champs have there been.

Ukranian, but you're getting pretty close.

Peak Ali v. T. Fury wrote:

Peak M. Ali in his twenties was better than peak T. Fury. A young Ali was too fit, too quick and too agile for T. Fury. By age 30, Ali was on the back nine. Interesting fact pointed out by Mike Tyson. Ali never threw a body punch, all head shots. I have gone back and looked at old Ali fights on youtube, not one body punch to be seen.

Tyson Fury could beat peak Tyson with ease and probably Ali. Not because he’s necessarily a better fighter, but the size difference is bigger than you think. Ali being 6 inches shorter and 40 pounds lighter is huge. All the head shots Ali threw wouldn’t hit a guy 6 inches taller and with top tier movement. Just too much to deal with for Ali.

great fight wrote:

Most heavy weight champs in the last 25 years have been Russian. Fury is a goat but in recent memory how many other Irish champs have there been.

per capita, and over all history, I said, and I didn't say just boxing. So Conor McGregor.

The Klitschkos would not agree that they're Russian, they're nationalists.

great fight wrote:

Peak Ali v. T. Fury wrote:

Peak M. Ali in his twenties was better than peak T. Fury. A young Ali was too fit, too quick and too agile for T. Fury. By age 30, Ali was on the back nine. Interesting fact pointed out by Mike Tyson. Ali never threw a body punch, all head shots. I have gone back and looked at old Ali fights on youtube, not one body punch to be seen.

Fury is 33. Fury and Ali both fighting at 33 would be very bad news for Ali. Also, yes about Ali which makes a 6' 9" guy harder to hit in the face. Ali struggled with Frazer and lost to Spinks. Fury would destroy Ali.

Joe Frazier's boxing style as stated by George Foreman was very similar to Mike Tyson's. Frazier, taller and more skilled than Tyson. You brought up fight(s) post Ali's peak. By Spinks, Ali had taken too many punches. Go back and look at fights of Ali back in 1960's. I stated in my first post Ali was past his peak at age 30. I know T Fury is much larger than peak Ali. Peak Ali was too good. Don't forget, it was impossible to knock out Ali. Ali was too mentally tough to be knocked out.

great fight wrote:

Most heavy weight champs in the last 25 years have been Russian. Fury is a goat but in recent memory how many other Irish champs have there been.

Perhaps you missed the term 'per capita'?

Bad Wigins wrote:

great fight wrote:

But we are not talking about terrorists killing civilians, we are speaking about heavy weight boxing champs.

Champs like Tyson Fury and John L Sullivan, not terrorists like the British army.

I detect a bit of salt about the "British" champ being an Irishman yet again.

He regards himself and clearly is British and Irish. He's as patriotic as they come. When England fans were getting chased and beaten by Putin backed Russian Ultras at Euro 2016 in France, he even flew over to join the fans.

Most Britiah Irish no longer have any hatred towards the English. Only American Irish looking to stand out from the mess that is white America.

Bad Wigins wrote:

The Irish have always been per capita the most dangerous and effective fighters on the planet.

He’s English. Do some research. Just the flu love.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

great fight wrote:

Fury is 33. Fury and Ali both fighting at 33 would be very bad news for Ali. Also, yes about Ali which makes a 6' 9" guy harder to hit in the face. Ali struggled with Frazer and lost to Spinks. Fury would destroy Ali.

Obviously the comparison would be when Ali and Fury were at their peak. For Ali, that would have been during 60s before his 3.5 year break. He had outstanding hand speed, mobility and could duck out of the way of punches. He wasn't a body puncher but I think he would have been fast enough to tattoo Fury's face with jabs and straight rights.

Tyson would swarm Fury and fight from the inside and land heavy blows to the body. Foreman was a very hard puncher with much better technique than Wilder. He also had more stamina than Wilder showed on Saturday.

I agree with this I love Tyson Fury and he's clearly the best of this era and perhaps better than the prime Klitschko brothers, but it's hard for me to believe that he would have beaten the likes of Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Frazier etc. No disgrace in that as they were the best era in 120 + years.

Not to mention that these guys would have been a couple of inches bigger with more muscle had they been born later. Jor Frazier was born dirt poor and his family had to move across America to save themselves from being lynched by the local hillbillies.

Birkoboy wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Champs like Tyson Fury and John L Sullivan, not terrorists like the British army.

I detect a bit of salt about the "British" champ being an Irishman yet again.

Actually he was born in Manchester

He's a Traveller, lamebrain. An Irishman in Britain, and oppressed as second-class at that. Even held the Irish federation title.

Don't try again after self-owning this badly. Other idiot losers take heed.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Birkoboy wrote:

Actually he was born in Manchester

He's a Traveller, lamebrain. An Irishman in Britain, and oppressed as second-class at that. Even held the Irish federation title.

Don't try again after self-owning this badly. Other idiot losers take heed.

He was born in Wythenshawe,which is in Manchester idiot,therfore he is English idiot.

Go back to 2600 idiot.