Pfizer Scientists: Your Antibodies Are Better Than The Vaccination

Hmm. If I am understanding, you seem to think that the antibodies generated in response to a SARS-CoV2 infection are your own antibodies, and the vaccine antibodies are not.

Where do you think the "vaccine antibodies" come from?

yeah but antibodies produced in response to the "vaccine" aren't that good and only last a few months.

the antibodies produced in response to actual covid are long-lasting and spectacular.

Let's accept that the premise is true that the antibodies from an infection are superior for some reason to the antibodies from a vaccine.

Will you accept that the side effects to a vaccine are relatively mild and also not all that widespread? You MAY feel a little wiped out for 24 hours and then are fine and reduce your chances of getting the real deal by, well, a lot. But the risk of death is incredibly low.

Will you accept that getting the actual virus COULD lead to being sick for several days? Could lead to being very sick and hospitalized? Could lead to a long term stint in the ICU? Need for a ventilator? Death?

Seems to me the tiny risk with the vaccine is superior to the larger risk of catching the virus. Not to mention you are not going to infect others from getting the vaccine.

So are you going out and actively trying to contract the virus?

Did they ever ask if these scientists had gotten the vaccine or would recommend people not get it?

I am sure O'Keefe will not care that he probably cost them their jobs?

potato_salad wrote:

yeah but antibodies produced in response to the "vaccine" aren't that good and only last a few months.

the antibodies produced in response to actual covid are long-lasting and spectacular.

Google “B cell”

potato_salad wrote:

yeah but antibodies produced in response to the "vaccine" aren't that good and only last a few months.

the antibodies produced in response to actual covid are long-lasting and spectacular.

This is far from clear. Literature on "common" coronavirus infections clearly indicate routine reinfection the next time it comes around. Immunity is not very durable. Severity is hard to evaluate because those illnesses are typically mild anyway.

A recent (ie this week) study predicts covid-19 immunity is not particularly durable either. And it comes with massive risk compared to the covid vaccine.

Perfect Dunning-Kruger effect on display.

What makes natural immunity stronger and longer lasting than vaccine immunity is the T-cell response, NOT antibody response. Talking about antibodies is a complete moot point.

Close! Those in glass houses…

The vaccines have not lost much, if any efficacy against hospitalization and death - even with delta!

The memory B and T cell responses seem very durable from vaccination. The primary waning of efficacy has come with respect to infection which is primarily prevented by circulating antibodies!

So in some ways you are right and in other ways the quoted poster is right.

Now why infection-driven immunity is usually better… that’s a good question, but it’s not as simple “it’s T cells”

the issue is not that people are forgoing the vaccine because they want to get antibodies through getting covid, the issue is that our gov't is forcing people who already contracted covid to also get the vaccine. It is complete bs.

So why the F doesn't the aristocrat Fauci admit to any of this? Then you've got the two pharma shills, Harambe tyrant & his sidekick 2600 wonderboy, disagreeing and promoting the Unicorn vaccine as better than natural immunity. How can we win this battle when corrupted Big Pharma is going push back and promote these mRNA as the greatest thing since the creation of slice bread. Lol.

All true but millions have had covid but are still being forced into getting vaccinated. That is the disconnect.

high school xc coach wrote:

the issue is not that people are forgoing the vaccine because they want to get antibodies through getting covid, the issue is that our gov't is forcing people who already contracted covid to also get the vaccine. It is complete bs.

In the NCAA, If you're vaccinated, you don't have to surveillance test. If you get Covid, you don't have to surveillance test for 90days...after that risk of re-infection increases.

I would argue that if you got Covid, their probably should be mandates to get the vaccine, because obviously you either are higher risk of exposure, or you're not responsible enough to avoid exposure.

I never got Covid, despite being in a higher risk area. I still got the vaccine, because I understand the long and short term risks of getting COVID are exponentially greater than any possible side effect from getting the vaccine. I haven't even had a common cold for 4+ years that I can remember, so I don't believe Covid would affect me, but would rather take the 1/20,000 (or less) chance of a minor side effect from the vaccine than a 1/100 chance of death or 5/100 of being very sick for a few days.

potato_salad wrote:

yeah but antibodies produced in response to the "vaccine" aren't that good and only last a few months.

the antibodies produced in response to actual covid are long-lasting and spectacular.

You know someone doesn't know sh1t when they describe something like antibodies as "spectactular".

We should end all mask mandates to encourage breakthrough infection. Vaccine defangs the initial infection, and then your body gets to reckon with the real virus for the natural immunity benefits.

Inquiring minds want to know wrote:

Let it Rupp wrote:

Perfect Dunning-Kruger effect on display.

What makes natural immunity stronger and longer lasting than vaccine immunity is the T-cell response, NOT antibody response. Talking about antibodies is a complete moot point.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7452821/#:~:text=Antibody%20response%20is%20often%20a,severe%20disease%3B%20and%20antibody%2Ddependent

So why the F doesn't the aristocrat Fauci admit to any of this? Then you've got the two pharma shills, Harambe tyrant & his sidekick 2600 wonderboy, disagreeing and promoting the Unicorn vaccine as better than natural immunity. How can we win this battle when corrupted Big Pharma is going push back and promote these mRNA as the greatest thing since the creation of slice bread. Lol.

Because the above is BS

Vaccines stimulate robust T cell responses as well:

One of many studies.

It is unclear why immunity against infection appears more durable (estimated ~1-2 year waning period, see study above) after COVID infection than 2 doses of the vaccine.

3 doses of the vaccine may stimulate a much longer protective response against mild disease — see many other vaccines that require 3 doses.

Damn that is a stupid post.

1. The vaccinated are slightly more likely to shed the virus than unvaccinated:

2. Antibodies in vaccinated decrease a lot faster than in natural immunity:

3. People who have already had covid are four times more likely to have a negative reaction to the vaccine:

4. Vaccines that allow you to still spread the virus they protect against (like the covid vax) can enhance virulent strains of the virus:

5. It is probable that the rise in heart problems this year is due to the vaccine:

6. If VAERS data is accurate at all you are looking at a much higher probability of a 1/20,000 serious side effect. The odds of getting very sick or dying from covid is incredibly small for a healthy person with no comorbidities. If you are over 65 and are overweight sure the shot might help, but your probabilities are still very small.

Holy....what kind of mind warped fuk bubble do you people live in?? Side effects of the vaccine mild? Not widespread?? 24 hrs, maybe, rarely?? Risk of death incredibly low?? Apparently deaths in the many tens of thousands is incredibly low to you?? Adverse effects are not at all widespread? Tell that to the millions that have and are suffering from the jab. I know 10-15 people that were sick with something in the past two years that lasted for up to two weeks. I know 10-15 that have suffered serious adverse effects from the jab for a month+ and some are still suffering after multiple months. Those are interesting ratios, huh?

Unbelievable. Are you next going to tell us that cancer is nothing and no one actually has it?

Wow so much misinformation above

1) the study you cited showed no difference in Ct value between vaxxed or unvaxxed. Vaxxed still get infected less, clear infection faster, AND Ct is not an ideal proxy for transmissibility (vaccinated people may have more dead virus around that is detected but not transmissible, for example).

2) we know circulating abs wane. This is why many vaccines are on 3+ dose schedules. 3 doses could give much longer protection than 2 — reason for optimism.

3) Side effects of the vaccine are generally short term. Getting COVID is way way worse. Get the vaccine.

4) Blatant fearmonger. It’s not “probable” you are just hoping it is bc you hate the fact that vaccines work.

5) VAERS cannot be used for this kind of analyses. All the real studies that have looked a large datasets of vaccinated people find the vaccines are very very safe — especially relative to COVID.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475

People act like death is the only risk of COVID. Most patients in the ICU recover. Ask them if they wish they’d taken the vaccine.

They're real. And they're spectacular.

should be studying 102 wrote:

Hmm. If I am understanding, you seem to think that the antibodies generated in response to a SARS-CoV2 infection are your own antibodies, and the vaccine antibodies are not.

Where do you think the "vaccine antibodies" come from?

I would like to know what that person thinks as well.