Teenage boys are 14 times more likely to suffer heart complications from Pfizer jab

Wake up SHEEPLE!

Follow the dictator i mean follow the science.

figgo wrote:

This cohort is largely unaffected by covid19. Not to mention, "up to 90 per cent of 17-year-olds already have Covid antibodies."

https://www.the-sun.com/health/3451600/teen-boys-heart-compilations-pfizer-vaccine/

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Second sentence from your article:

"However experts agree getting vaccinated far outweighs any small risk of an adverse side effect."

Thank you for sharing your expertise.

why do people call it a “jab” (I obviously know it’s because it is a shot) it’s annoying and I think it’s part of some sort of psyop to get us to talk like british “people”. It’s honestly more annoying than any vaccine related discourse.

Fauci & Co. jumped the shark by pushing for vaccines for 18 and under. At that point it became too obvious that vaccine policy is all about the $$$.

It's smart to wait to get vaccinated until things have played out. Common sense dictates.

I don't care!

IF they don't get vaccinated they can die for all I care.

surgical wrote:

I don't care!

IF they don't get vaccinated they can die for all I care.

It's kind of hard to die from the sniffles, but ok.

Um no. Getting infected with Covid still results in 6x the rate of myocarditis, vs those who were vaccinated. For males 12-17.

"Researchers analysed the records of healthcare organisations that cover a fifth of the US population. They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection."

Read more:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocarditis-is-more-common-after-covid-19-infection-than-vaccination/#ixzz76Mk7UxFS

Just to clarify, the risk of myocarditis after HOSPITALIZATION is several times higher than after the vaccines. But since the pediatric hospitalization rate is very low (around 0.6 - 0.9%), the overall risk of myocarditis after INFECTION is much lower than after the vaccine.

Almost all the post-vax myocarditis happens after the second shot of the mRNA vaccines (only these have been approved for kids so far). Most European countries are giving only one shot for boys, for this reason.

Some kids will have health problems or family members with immunosuppression. For these kids, I still think two shots makes sense.

Anecdotally, most of the post-vax myocarditis is seen in very healthy, athletic boys, whereas most of the post-Covid myocarditis is seen in kids with risk factors, like obesity.

All correct.

Want to add that if our population of young males was actually healthy, we wouldn’t even be that concerned about them getting COVID, other than passing it on to others.

However the amount of young people who are obese/overweight prediabetic fatty is astoundingly high in the US. If you are morbidly obese, even a child, and get COVID, you are playing w fire.

After hospitalization? That's not what I am reading. The article I linked says 450 cases per million infections. Although then it makes sense that the rate after hospitalization with covid could be much much higher.

After vax, 67 cases per million vaccinated. Much lower than in those infected or hospitalized.

If true, you still have to get Covid -- which very few teens have -- to be affected by it.

Get the jab and that's it, no turning back

Quit posting garbage, pop-culture, clickbait articles from the media. Pediatrics Academies know about all this and still recommend the shot for young males. Quit thinking you're smarter about Medicine than your doctors.

Here's an actual scientific journal:

"Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditisas those who have received the vaccine."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/

I agree that the popular press has been reporting the post-Covid myocarditis differently. I wish it were not so. If you go to the source (CDC numbers), here, you can see the actual numbers:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm?s_cid=mm7035e5_x

Essentially, over the last 10 months,

- 86 kids under 16 got myocarditis and also had Covid in the US

- 132 kids under 16 got myocarditis without Covid in the US (you can think of this as the background rate of Covid)

Compare that to the recent study by Hoeg et al that found over 200 cases of post-vax myocarditis in the last few months.

Of note, the math is very different in older age groups. Older folks get almost no post-vax myocarditis but much more post-Covid myocarditis.

Out of 1597 Division 1 college athletes who had Covid (not those that were hospitalized with Covid), 37 had myocarditis. That's about 1 in 43.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548

If the newscientist article linked in this thread is correct, there are 67 cases of myocarditis for every million vaccinations, or 1 in about 14, 900.

Seems like the risk to children/young adults of getting myocarditis from Covid is a lot greater than the risk of getting myocarditis from the vaccine, even for healthy, skinny kids.

The Unkle wrote:

If true, you still have to get Covid -- which very few teens have -- to be affected by it.

What's that based on, other than your imagination?

Even if you factor in a 10% chance of getting infected, you're still more likely to get Covid and then get myocarditis than you are likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine. Even for young, healthy people.

The Unkle wrote:

If true, you still have to get Covid -- which very few teens have -- to be affected by it.

Get the jab and that's it, no turning back

If you get the jab you're 100% taking a small chance of having a negative reaction.

Catching COVID may have a higher chance of a permanent negative reaction than vax.

But if you and everyone in your household mask up and social distance. You can both avoid getting the jab and catching COVID altogether. For some that's the bet with the lowest chance of risk.

If you can't avoid exposure, either choose between vax or natural defense. Your choice.

The Grim Reaper wrote:

The Unkle wrote:

If true, you still have to get Covid -- which very few teens have -- to be affected by it.

What's that based on, other than your imagination?

Even if you factor in a 10% chance of getting infected, you're still more likely to get Covid and then get myocarditis than you are likely to get myocarditis from the vaccine. Even for young, healthy people.

It's simple. Mask up and social distance, then you don't have to get either the vax or COVID.

Actual CD,

without denominators, the numbers you picked out mean very little. The CDC report you linked to concludes that

the benefits of vaccination clearly outweighed the (tiny) risk.