USADA covers up Eliud Ngetich positive for nearly 7 years

Nandrolone...

These secret bans remind me of tennis - the ITF uses them, ALLEGEDLY

I never heard of a distance runner taking nandrolone., this makes no sense. Oh wait.....

A foreign athlete comes to the US, hits the road race circuit hard winning prize money regularly for years, fails a drug test, USADA covers it up for nearly seven years and gives the athlete a slap on the wrist claiming they helped them with something secret... and crickets from the Letsrun crowd?

I thought people here would have more opinions on this.

Apparently it's ok for the Kenyans to come and cheat their way to prize money and take away from Americans. Obvious what was going on the whole time but the thing is there are a lot of leftists here and you know how their wacko belief system is with blm, sjw's, non binary, crt. As long as it's not a straight white guy it's all good. I mean this guy was fighting for his family right?

These athletics governing bodies are so corrupt. Look at when the Diack's were in charge with the corruption and if you think that's the extent of it, you're sorropy mistaken. The ShaCarri case was very suspicious in that all she missed was the Olympics but also conveniently was left off the relay team. The handling of the BTC ordeal was incredibly suspicious as it tool 6 months for them to announce Shelby was positive and there's rumors of other positives in the group. When you see a guy like Jager mysteriously not competing with other BTC such as Quigley (after Fancy Bears revealed he was tagged likely doping) , you have to wonder. There's definitely dirty work being done. Part of it is getting USADA and WADA/members paid and part is trying to maintain a bit of integrity because if everyone's caught, then fans will tune out and most importantly revenue is lost.

polevaultpower wrote:

A foreign athlete comes to the US, hits the road race circuit hard winning prize money regularly for years, fails a drug test, USADA covers it up for nearly seven years and gives the athlete a slap on the wrist claiming they helped them with something secret... and crickets from the Letsrun crowd?

I thought people here would have more opinions on this.

I guess in the wake of the Shelby Houlihan details, there is only so much energy to go around.

My first question was — who?

My other first question (it’s a tie) — 7 years to announce a ban? That is a long time.

I am also curious who the substantial assistance was against.

They lost all credibility with the Lance persecution. Yes he doped but so did all the big shots and Trygart or whatever his name was just seemed to me to want a d!ck measuring contest against Lance. It was his life's mission to take down Lance.

So....the Americans covering up for doping Kenyans.

This can only mean one thing.

I told y'all the Brits were dirty!

This is the sort of stuff that results in Track and Field having no credibility amongst the general public. This just reinforces the belief that national anti-doping agencies rarely enforce the rules as written and instead always find some extenuating circumstances to make each bust a special case which must be handled differently.

Unfortunately this elasticity extends to the media. A phone call from the agency in Kenya is a blatant tip-off, but back home it is considered a curtesy call. A tainted meat excuse in Spain is blatant lying but here it is grounds for reasonable doubt. A no name foreigner steps on the rail and is DQ'ed it's "rules are rules". A home town favourite gets DQ'ed for the same offence and the cry is "The rules make no sense".

When the majority of people who govern and influence the sport are willingly accepting different rules for different people the sport has one foot in the real world and one foot in the world of professional wrestling.

Corruption of the highest order.

polevaultpower wrote:

Who else is, or has been, secretly banned by USADA?

+1

And people still think, wejo included, that secret bans don't exist, and that USADA is an exemplary NADO, despite its courtesy calls and screwing up the Coleman case and screwing up the Salazar case etc.

"tested positive for nandrolone" - hahaha. Let's see JG and the brojos coming to his rescue and claiming that endurance runners wouldn't do that and that it was in the beef burrito.

I intermittently saw Jager limping around in a boot at the Nike campus for about 4 weeks. If that’s a coverup, he’s surely committed (and also the next Keyser Soze). FB was also in 2017-ish.

Quigley had been gone from BTC since early 2021. She’s got issues, but it doesn’t have to do with peds.

OK, I noticed a few things:

1) Headline describes him as a "US Track and Field Athlete" but says he lives in Kenya. I looked him up on World Athletics. He is listed as Kenyan. Was he an American when he was competing and when he was tested by USADA?

2) He's not that good. His best performance is 43:31 for 15k road which is worth 1101 points.

3) They spelled the town in Kenya "El Doret" when it's actually Eldoret.

4) (What polevaultpower asked) What is the "substantial assistance" he offered and what drug bust(s) did it lead to?

This raises the question of who else has been suspended for doping without any public announcement. You can't run a federation or a doping agency like this in the United States. This is absolutely crazy.

zxcvzxcv wrote:

This raises the question of who else has been suspended for doping without any public announcement. You can't run a federation or a doping agency like this in the United States. This is absolutely crazy.

Lol. You can't? You must be new here.

But I know you are not...

The key point to take away here is that USADA is as much of a mess as any other NADO. They're still dining out on the Armstrong case, a victory for them but one on which they got lucky enough to land a whistleblower. Travis Tygart casually throws around accusations about how WADA is run, most of which is just cover for his own determination to give USADA more influence. But he needs to get his house in order. Why is USADA giving warning calls to athletes ahead of an OOC test? Why are they routinely letting athletes skate if they use the tainted meat defense? Why are they allowing athletes to serve secret bans?

A larger question: how many other athletes are serving, or have served secret bans?

Well done, USADA, you've undermined your own credibility

I dont understand Tygart.

He painted himself as the man who was hpoing to bust LA, despite losing an fbi investigation, and he gets the kudos for busting LA. But since then he seems completely ineffectual to the point of corruption.

was he actually a false front for LA until it became inevitable?

Can anyone point to aynthing credible that he or usada have done since LA?

Not sure if or how Tygart was connected to the FBI investigation into Lance led by Novitsky. Tygart did complain that the FBI didn’t cooperate with the USADA investigation, and USADA had to redo all the depositions.

Some might count sanctioning Salazar and Dr. Brown as an achievement.

Or the passage of the Rodchenkov Act.

Up to readers to decide if that was credible or effective.

He lobbied and failed to get thyroid medicine banned, and has so far failed to get the WADA reform for “no-fault” contamination cases, but this may yet come.

I’m still curious why it took 7 years to announce a ban, and what substantial assistance was provided.

But it is a good question, what has Tygart really ever done for us …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

rekrunner wrote:

He lobbied and failed to get thyroid medicine banned, and has so far failed to get the WADA reform for “no-fault” contamination cases, but this may yet come.

What does he want there, exactly? Athletes with “no-fault” contamination cases already go free, as they should.

And in any case, WADA has a committee for such reforms; Tygart should focus on his own organization with its many issues.

USADA screw-up list out of the top of my head:

- could never catch Armstrong with a positive test

- didn't charge Salazar for years so his three finally proven ADRVs couldn't get treated separately, otherwise it'd have been minimum of a 4 + 2 + 4 = 10 year ban

- didn't submit their evidence against Salazar on time to AAA despite extended deadlines so they had to withdraw their 5th charge and lost on the 4th charge against Salazar

- didn't uncover Salazar's sexual and emotional abuse despite allegedly "leaving no stone unturned"

- fell for every stupid the-dog-ate-my-homework excuse (Claye, Roberts, Wilson)

- provided illegitimate warning calls before OOC tests

- provided illegitimate courtesy calls during OOC tests

- counted Rollins' disappearance into the airport as a missed test instead of a test evasion

- screwed up the 1st Coleman case by ringing at his door at 8:01 instead of 7:59 despite a 7:55 arrival, so the missed test turned into a whereabouts failure and hence backdated and Coleman got off free

- showed their incompetence by provisionally banning Coleman, not knowing that whereabouts failures get backdated (unless you don't believe their 8:01 story, then it was corruption)

- had AIU catch our latest three big fish on American soil (reigning world champ Coleman, reigning double American record holder Houlihan, then-reigning Olympic champ McNeal)

- zero ABP convictions to date although Americans were found to be average blood dopers with some 15 - 20% prevalence

I probably missed a couple... oh yes, I'd also count Salazar's lifetime ban for those ADRVs a stupid overreach, but that is debatable.