Video: Coach Bernard Ouma Ponders Over Kenya's "Poor" Performance in Tokyo and Tim Cheruiyot's Silver

El Keniano wrote:

Intelligent, grounded man not given to hysterical reactions and rants. Martial artists are always zen. As is typical for Kenyans, speaks English with a bit of Swahili thrown in, but you can still get the gist. Alludes to some of Tim's issues which we've speculated on here.

https://twitter.com/ntvkenya/status/1427713849507999745?s=20

Thoughtful man and he is absolutely right. Timothy had as we know a hamstring issue and there is probably too much pressure on the athletes when Kenya isn't so dominant that they can just show up and win anymore. Other countries are catching up in some events and a lot of the talent is also going to the roads.

Kenya has tremendous talent but the rest of the world is also gunning for those medals.

I think the Kenyan public when it comes to Athletics is a bit like my native Norways public when it comes too XC skiing; spoiled. They expect to just pick up a gold like its nothing, anyone who knows the reality of top level sport knows this is incredibly naive.

A lot of the talent is getting tested now.

Also, the social could be about missed training after Tim lost a close relative.

You can't sustain over a hundred PED busts and not expect to have it affect the depth of medals. At least on the roads Kenya can avoid testing more effectively and still rake in $$$

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El Keniano wrote:

1234thr wrote: (Facts)

Hi I'm blubbering idiot

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So Tim was more bothered by the nasty tweets than the actual loss.

Factors include a lot more paved roads around the running mecca in Kenya, much increased traffic, other economic opportunities with increased economic growth, moving to the roads, high profile drug busts, and self-inflict blows (why was the world's best steepler not there, for instance?).

All things considered the big disappointments are at 5,000 and 10,000 to get no medals and the Steeple to only get Bronze. 800/1500 and Marathon you can't complain with 2 of the top 4. The 5,000 might be more hopeful with Kimeli basically having the bronze and maybe silver taken away by Chelimo screwing with his race. Then Simiyu went down in a fall, so who knows. Both guys very young. The 10,000 you could argue injury took out the three best threats (Kandie, Kamworor and injured Kipruto).

Overall, Kenya performed fine considering how much Ethiopia underachieved at everything but the men's 10,000 (and the Steeple somewhat).

Shudupaya'face!

Super shoes don't work on Kenyans!

Ethiopia has underperformed for three straight Olympics. But we all know this messageboard's singular obsession has always been Kenya which isn't allowed to have the dips that are inevitable in every sport.

There's literally a decade's worth of threads here proclaiming the decline and impending death of Kenya as distance power. My favourite was the weeks and weeks of crowing, mockery and derision in 2013 when the US men's team (after a perfect storm of luck and circumstance) finished ahead of Kenya at the World Cross Country Championships. Very little attention was paid to the deserving winners, Ethiopia and every article and thread focused on this secondary detail. That's when I first got an inkling of the strong hatred of Kenya and Kenyans, often disguised as common sporting rivalry, that culminated in a completely unfounded, not-so-stealth, campaign by all sections of the Western running community and media to try and get Kenya banned alongside Russia.

So, this isn't new.

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/03/2013-world-cross-country-championships-us-men-stun-kenya-and-win-team-silver/

“This boards singular obsession is with Kenya”

-El Keniano, UK

Tiresome 🥱

Kenya performed badly. If it wasn't for the unexpected result in the men's 800m and 45 year old Kipchoge delivering it in the marathon one last time, it would have been a disaster.

This on the back of 15 months of pandemic in which doping Kenyan runners will have had some respite from the impact of the new WADA lab in Nairobi.

To gloss it over as just a natural 'dip' is self-deceit.

y3beh3 wrote:

Kenya performed badly. If it wasn't for the unexpected result in the men's 800m .

Unexpected alright. Most Kenyans were expecting a 1-2-3. We have the world's deepest 800m and I'm still disappointed the world didn't get a chance to see Elias Ngeny after he finished 4th at the trials. Dude jogged a 1:43 in Nairobi and deserves a shot at a Diamond League start.

y3beh3 wrote:

Kenya performed badly. If it wasn't for the unexpected result in the men's 800m and 45 year old Kipchoge delivering it in the marathon one last time, it would have been a disaster.

This on the back of 15 months of pandemic in which doping Kenyan runners will have had some respite from the impact of the new WADA lab in Nairobi.

To gloss it over as just a natural 'dip' is self-deceit.

Make up your mind. You are always saying Kenyans are being caught left and right but when convenient you say that they are not being caught.

Morons gonna moron.

El Keniano wrote:

y3beh3 wrote:

Kenya performed badly. If it wasn't for the unexpected result in the men's 800m .

Unexpected alright. Most Kenyans were expecting a 1-2-3. We have the world's deepest 800m and I'm still disappointed the world didn't get a chance to see Elias Ngeny after he finished 4th at the trials. Dude jogged a 1:43 in Nairobi and deserves a shot at a Diamond League start.

Make up your mind. You accused somebody of taking jibberish for pointing out 100+ doping busts would impact Kenyan performances. Now you're ruing the ommission of Ngeny which was due 100% to those 100+ doping busts!

Cannoova wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Unexpected alright. Most Kenyans were expecting a 1-2-3. We have the world's deepest 800m and I'm still disappointed the world didn't get a chance to see Elias Ngeny after he finished 4th at the trials. Dude jogged a 1:43 in Nairobi and deserves a shot at a Diamond League start.

Make up your mind. You accused somebody of taking jibberish for pointing out 100+ doping busts would impact Kenyan performances. Now you're ruing the ommission of Ngeny which was due 100% to those 100+ doping busts!

Umm. Ngeny wasn't on the team because he finished 4th in the 800m. What are you on about?

How long you been sitting on this old thread?