Was Biden right in pulling us out of Afghanistan?

It’s “right” to allow the comeback of ISIS? To allow young girls to be owned? This is insanity thinking and a coverup up for this fool Biden and his supporters. Somebody on that side needs to be an adult and admit this disaster and quit blaming Trump. Trump is a negotiator and, if he was in charge, he would deal with this properly. Joe and Kam have no clue. He can’t think and she’s too high all the time to care or focus

Noyankee wrote:

It’s “right” to allow the comeback of ISIS? To allow young girls to be owned? This is insanity thinking and a coverup up for this fool Biden and his supporters. Somebody on that side needs to be an adult and admit this disaster and quit blaming Trump. Trump is a negotiator and, if he was in charge, he would deal with this properly. Joe and Kam have no clue. He can’t think and she’s too high all the time to care or focus

None of the presidents took care of this issue. If they could have they would have. (Yes even your Trump failed here) We can't police Afghanistan forever. It doesn't work. Its not our country.

Again. Just no end how people can blindly support this. Trump annihilated ISIS. Period. Issue resolved. Now you manage. We have managed in Germany since II and still no Naxi party or young girls being raped.

Adults take responsibility. Children deflect blame.

Absolutely. Biden is a major failure and the "US can't govern afghanistan forever" is not gonna cut it. Women will be raped, innocents stoned and thiefs have their arms/hands cut off. And you call Trump a monster. Biden is a wolf in sheeps clothes, or maybe he doesn't know whats going on since he is more worried about loosing the ability to smell young girls.

Noyankee wrote:

It’s “right” to allow the comeback of ISIS? To allow young girls to be owned? This is insanity thinking and a coverup up for this fool Biden and his supporters. Somebody on that side needs to be an adult and admit this disaster and quit blaming Trump. Trump is a negotiator and, if he was in charge, he would deal with this properly. Joe and Kam have no clue. He can’t think and she’s too high all the time to care or focus

The Taliban isn't ISIS. Please learn your history, or current events, before speaking.

Biden was only carrying out Trump's deal with the Taliban.

Anyway.....

It is not our job nor our military's job create democratic nations.

Again....

It is not our job nor our military's job to create democratic nations.

Also.....

It is not our job nor our military's job to stop every injustice carried out by authoritarian leaders or regimes. If a country wants a different path then let them choose it.

All of these "assist and advice" missions we've carried out first in Iraq and then in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of rebuilding a country are foolish and is not the job of our military. Our military fights and wins wars, which it did when it got Saddam and got Osama. Then the mission changed and the goalposts kept changing and then nothing matters.

Alan

theRanMan wrote:

Absolutely. Biden is a major failure and the "US can't govern afghanistan forever" is not gonna cut it. Women will be raped, innocents stoned and thiefs have their arms/hands cut off. And you call Trump a monster. Biden is a wolf in sheeps clothes, or maybe he doesn't know whats going on since he is more worried about loosing the ability to smell young girls.

Did you say Trump?

DUH. Sorry, I should properly structure my logic for some. The point is, here comes ISIS. Cannot believe that even needs explanation.

What do you mean Trump was afraid to do it? He signed Afghanistan's death warrant last year by establishing the pull out in writing to the Taliban and releasing thousands of Taliban fighters from prison.

Read this article from mast year March 2020 when the deal was made.

Noyankee wrote:

DUH. Sorry, I should properly structure my logic for some. The point is, here comes ISIS. Cannot believe that even needs explanation.

You must be very young.

Taliban and ISIS have different and oftentimes opposing goals. In fact they have been fighting each other in Afghanistan for a while now.

Please educate yourself before speaking again.

The Taliban is at first a political organization. They want recognition. This was all set in motion with Trump's deal with the Taliban in the waning months of his presidency. I am confident we still have eyes and ears on the ground or even imbedded within the Taliban. The Taliban are playing nice right now but we will see how long it lasts. They don't want 100,000 American troops back on the ground. In recent years they have ignored US troops (our last front-line casualty their was over a year and a half ago) and instead the ANA (Afghan Army) has had a very rough year defending territory.

Alan

Noyankee wrote:

Trump is a negotiator and, if he was in charge, he would deal with this properly.

The withdrawal was a disaster, but Biden was executing the "peace deal" negotiated and signed by Trump. In my opinion, it was terrible deal and Biden should have not followed it as it predictably led to disaster for the Afghani people.

Trump cut and run on the Kurds after they gave up men women and children to defeat ISIS.

Unsure how there is any evidence this would have gone any better.

George W. Bush, a Republican, invaded, conquered and enslaved Afghanistan. Joe Biden, a Democrat, has given them their freedom and reinstalled their legal legitimate government. I don't see the problem. Now if you're thinking that the United States should be paying them reparations, you're probably right.

This is China's problem now, we can no longer be the world's police force, we can't even police our own cities.

History will repeat itself. Afghanistan will revert back to the unchained madness, once a critical mass has been attained, Islamic terrorists will strike other countries and the US will be back in Afghanistan to win the war on terror and "nation-build". Anybody who believes otherwise is naive. All it takes is one jingoistic bumbling fool to set the course for a next generation of war.

You do realize Trump was pulling us out, don’t you. He was pulling us out and had no contingency for anything happening in Afghanistan. So do you mean Trump, or is this specifically to attack Biden and detract from Trump?

Disko Eric wrote:

You do realize Trump was pulling us out, don’t you. He was pulling us out and had no contingency for anything happening in Afghanistan. So do you mean Trump, or is this specifically to attack Biden and detract from Trump?

You can say Biden was just keeping the bad deal Trump made, but Biden has had no problem reversing any number of things Trump had in place. So this disaster is on Biden, not Trump.

The big mistake the Biden admin made was believing the constant lies from the DoD and NSC about the readiness of the Afghan army and whether Afghans would be willing to mount any kind of resistance to the Taliban in order to preserve the corrupt national government. It was clear to anyone who had any objectivity that the Afghan army was a complete joke and the central government was seen as corrupt and a pawn of the US. Afghans hate the central government and fear the Taliban.

The US was never in Afghanistan to protect women's rights or to establish a democracy. It was always just a geopolitical play to have a massive military presence a short ride in a F16 to Iran and to justify a massive military budget that had nothing to do with any actual military threat to the US or its allies. It really was not much more than make work for the US military.

How the Taliban treats women is about the same as women are treating in many parts of Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and so on. The US military could have squashed the Taliban like a bug if they wanted to, but that would have required a full on occupation of the entire country and an extended period of a US administered government, which would have been seen in the region as the cultural conquest of a Muslim nation. The US never had the political will to do that because it would have caused unrest in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia that could have toppled friendly regimes.

In the end, I actually give Biden credit for getting out of Afghanistan. However, it does not come from a principled stance against US imperialism. It comes from the typical neoliberal strategy of coopting the other party's position by taking a page from their book. The current right wing/Trumpist Republican party base is very anti interventionist. Biden knows that any critique of the withdrawal by Trump or a Trump-esque candidate in 2024 will fall flat on the right wing base. He also knows that continuing the occupation would have cost many more lives as the Taliban had been gaining strength and the central government had all but lost any credibility in the nation. So, in 2024, Biden would either have to defend increasing violence and casualties in Afghanistan or a pull out and the restoration of the Taliban. Outside of the never Trumper Nat Sec Gulf War idiots like Kristol, Rubin, Boot, etc., most of the Dem base wanted out of Afghanistan and a much stronger focus on domestic issues. So, this was actually an easy call for Biden.