Green Lake Park, Seattle is a Mad Max movie, overrun with vagrants

You should run for mayor and clean it up.

jamin wrote:

What a disgrace. A brigade of RVs and tents has been building up for a year on the west end. Runners have been avoiding the outer loop because of it. The buildup keeps expanding inwards and now it's at the point where the tenants are bordering the inner loop and you get a whiff of the homeless people smell when you pass by.

Jamin, you are referring to all of Seattle are you not? Why single out Green Lake?

You and Greg like to complain about the homeless. Maybe you two should get together and see what else you have in common.

These people are set up to fail in life. Their parents were either horrible and/or did not fulfill them emotionally and we are a product of our environment. The rules of society can be cruel because once you get into a hole they make it hard to dig out. For example, giving prisoners a criminal record so they can't get a job only leads to them continuing down the hole of degradation.

What do you think would help people best to

1. maintain a tenancy

2. maintain a job that pays enough?

Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:

These people are set up to fail in life. Their parents were either horrible and/or did not fulfill them emotionally and we are a product of our environment. The rules of society can be cruel because once you get into a hole they make it hard to dig out. For example, giving prisoners a criminal record so they can't get a job only leads to them continuing down the hole of degradation.

Are you advocating people not have a criminal record if they've been convicted of a crime?

Yo yo yo wrote:

What do you think would help people best to

1. maintain a tenancy

2. maintain a job that pays enough?

No comment on that however Employers and landlords are able to discriminate when other forms of discrimination are rightfully shunned heavily. Like I said, an early adult life setback or lack of opportunities can adversely affect people for life into a loop of inevitable failure.

Politicians in Seattle tolerate homeless living in parks and other public spaces because they know that cracking down on homeless encampments would just create a whack a mole situation where the homeless keep turning up at difference places. Thus, they let a park like Green Lake take one for the team so that the homeless won't invade other public spaces. And tolerating homelessness is also the only way for politicians to avoid having to come into conflict with the centers of power by trying to push through real housing reforms. Instead, there are measures like the Amazon tax that will raise a decent amount of money for public housing, but not nearly enough to even move the needle on housing costs. Seattle needs reforms like requiring occupancy or paying a heavy tax for holding property for investment (AirBnBs, etc.). Seattle also needs to require a percentage of multifamily be set aside for affordable housing and do this for both new and existing units.

Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:

These people are set up to fail in life. Their parents were either horrible and/or did not fulfill them emotionally and we are a product of our environment. The rules of society can be cruel because once you get into a hole they make it hard to dig out. For example, giving prisoners a criminal record so they can't get a job only leads to them continuing down the hole of degradation.

Incredible! A 'Steve The Addict' post I agree with!

kingojamin26009 wrote:

You should run for mayor and clean it up.

Or maybe join them and have a good time lol . Maybe some good chicks there?

I ran there last week, it's very easy to avoid the west end camp by cutting down to the bike path and then rejoining the outer loop once you've gone by that small stretch. I think you're exaggerating a bit.

Affordable housing?

Gtfo

These people couldn’t afford housing in North Dakota. These are transient drug addicts that need to be institutionalized until they are clean or thrown in jail.

These soft policies on the west coast allowing people to pop tents up is just inviting more transient drug addicts from all over the country and enabling them to ruin their lives and the the lives of others.

Compassion is institutionalization. These people need help, even if it’s forced upon them. Letting them roam around destroying parks and communities is F’ed up... they are also ruining their own lives.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

Affordable housing?

Gtfo

These people couldn’t afford housing in North Dakota. These are transient drug addicts that need to be institutionalized until they are clean or thrown in jail.

These soft policies on the west coast allowing people to pop tents up is just inviting more transient drug addicts from all over the country and enabling them to ruin their lives and the the lives of others.

Compassion is institutionalization. These people need help, even if it’s forced upon them. Letting them roam around destroying parks and communities is F’ed up... they are also ruining their own lives.

North Dakota? You need to educate yourself. North Dakota is not a great example for cheap housing.

Are the vagrants wearing ass-less chaps?

Gee, I wonder why covid is spreading? (Kind of like what they say re Texas and Florida having so many new cases when those states also bear the brunt of illegal aliens)

They're not all drug addicts, I think most of them are simply bums who don't want to work...they would rather drink beer all day or smoke pot. The problem is that we make life too easy for them. If the homeless lifestyle was a hard existence we would have less of it. Why is it so much more common now days? It's because people give them food, clothing , money to enable their destructive llifestyle. Time for some tough love...

I agree, was visiting family in Seattle last week and ran at greenlake. There are definitely homeless people there but it’s not nearly as apocalyptic as jamin is making it sound.

Steve The Addict^^^^^^^------- wrote:

These people are set up to fail in life. Their parents were either horrible and/or did not fulfill them emotionally and we are a product of our environment. The rules of society can be cruel because once you get into a hole they make it hard to dig out. For example, giving prisoners a criminal record so they can't get a job only leads to them continuing down the hole of degradation.

This exact mindset of victimhood and lack of self-responsibility is what leads to homelessness and horrible outcomes for many. Many people had rough childhoods and didn't end up homeless or a criminal, so I don't want to hear that horsesh!t. "We are a product of our environments" "the system is rigged against us" - what are you like 12? Society has never been easier to survive and thrive in, which is partly why so many homeless people opt to live in shanty towns inside major cities instead of living off the grid in the woods - because they can mooch off the people actually contributing to civilization and infrastructure.

The only excuse I can actually sympathize with is severe mental illness like schizophrenia, PTSD or learning disorders (which I am sure most homeless people have), but the excuse of having mean parents and being a victim of "society" falls on deaf ears for me.

We can hope that old Stevey was doing a parody of soft-headed liberalism here.