Running economy doesnt get better after 50 min of high intesity or 60 min low intensity each day. If a runner gets injured from running more than that then maybe the runner should cross train more? This particular runner changed her training to less running only recently at it seems like a good choice.
Interesting coming after the British triathlete woman 'breaking the WR' the other week.
Maybe the magic shoes favor the cross-trainers by improving running economy proportionately more than for those who just run.
So the example of one 30 year old woman with a really good result counters the examples of hundreds if not thousands of people who have gotten comparable and better results?
HRE wrote:
So the example of one 30 year old woman with a really good result counters the examples of hundreds if not thousands of people who have gotten comparable and better results?
It’s certainly something to consider. Ingrid Kristiansen relied heavily on large volumes of Nordic skiing during her winter/base periods. Certainly, the best thing for running at the end of the day is running...but to a certain extent perhaps? Everyone’s body has a breaking point.
hvordan wrote:
HRE wrote:
So the example of one 30 year old woman with a really good result counters the examples of hundreds if not thousands of people who have gotten comparable and better results?
It’s certainly something to consider. Ingrid Kristiansen relied heavily on large volumes of Nordic skiing during her winter/base periods. Certainly, the best thing for running at the end of the day is running...but to a certain extent perhaps? Everyone’s body has a breaking point.
Cross country skiing is evidently the best form of aerobic exercise there is. Running is second. I'd probably have taken it up myself but I had such a hard time getting back up after falling that I quit. But my point is that you can always find someone here and there who does something unconventional and gets very good results. But when you look at most people who get good results as well as the people who get the best results you don't see much that's unconventional.
Coevett wrote:
Interesting coming after the British triathlete woman 'breaking the WR' the other week.
I find it really odd that these relative unknowns in the field of running are breaking world records at popular distances. Think of how many Kenyan and Ethiopian women have run the 5K, how many road greats from the USA, Aus, Europe? Then these people just come and break it?
It doesnt prove that you have to cross train, but it may prove that most professional athletes run to much, espesially does who are injury prone. Most professional runners have never cross trained for long periode of time except when they are injured. Africans are naturally not doing it because they dont have the equipent. Never seen a pair of roller skis in Africa... Also they are mostly lighter than europeans and hive higher bone density. That may help them but for many larger professional athletes it may be better to cross train as long as they get in 1 hour of running each day, long runs and workouts
These posts are deceiving. Caroline Grovdal has been in the sport a long time. I saw her race as a junior at the European XC Championship. I remember saying she'd be the next Paula Radcliffe, but I think injuries or whatever got in the way. She's popped some great performances over the years. This performance is not surprising at all.
Coevett wrote:
Interesting coming after the British triathlete woman 'breaking the WR' the other week.
Asterix, what if Impedimenta seriously starts running? Don't you think doped up British triathletes better stop running?
Have run my best distance times off of basically a 5:1 rowing to running ratio. Definitely picked up way more injuries with high mileage running.
FinJ wrote:
It doesnt prove that you have to cross train, but it may prove that most professional athletes run to much, espesially does who are injury prone. Most professional runners have never cross trained for long periode of time except when they are injured. Africans are naturally not doing it because they dont have the equipent. Never seen a pair of roller skis in Africa... Also they are mostly lighter than europeans and hive higher bone density. That may help them but for many larger professional athletes it may be better to cross train as long as they get in 1 hour of running each day, long runs and workouts
Let's have substantial number of world class runners doing what you suggest before we decide cross training is the new secret. Your comment about not seeing Africans on rolling skis is bang on the mark.
saw her race as a junior. wrote:
These posts are deceiving. Caroline Grovdal has been in the sport a long time. I saw her race as a junior at the European XC Championship. I remember saying she'd be the next Paula Radcliffe, but I think injuries or whatever got in the way. She's popped some great performances over the years. This performance is not surprising at all.
This.
Grovdal is a very well known runner on the European circuit, also has a sub-15 5k track PB.
4 x bronze at EURO-XC (2015-2018), also 10k (2016) + Steeple (2018) bronze at European championships.
Bigger question is whether Grovdal’s run will be ratified as a WR. Beth Potter did not get the WR because there was no drug testing or referee on site when she ran that time.
HRE wrote:
So the example of one 30 year old woman with a really good result counters the examples of hundreds if not thousands of people who have gotten comparable and better results?
14:39 is 60th place all-time according to World Athletics
It probably won't be ratified, because nobody in Norway is approved to measure the course for wr purposes, and due to quarantine rules it was impossible to get someone flown in ahead of the race.
OriginalLurker wrote:
saw her race as a junior. wrote:
These posts are deceiving. Caroline Grovdal has been in the sport a long time. I saw her race as a junior at the European XC Championship. I remember saying she'd be the next Paula Radcliffe, but I think injuries or whatever got in the way. She's popped some great performances over the years. This performance is not surprising at all.
This.
Grovdal is a very well known runner on the European circuit, also has a sub-15 5k track PB.
4 x bronze at EURO-XC (2015-2018), also 10k (2016) + Steeple (2018) bronze at European championships.
Exactly. I read the first few posts on here thinking it was some cross country skier that dabbled dabbled in running. When someone finally said it was Grovdal I lost all surprise. Steeple chaser that has a 14:51 track best? I’m not that shocked she’s gone 14:39 on the roads. Good run
Great time for Grovdal. Looking at the 5000m record now, you've got to think the 5k road record will be down to 14:20-14:25 soon. Maybe Monaco will pay up for Gidey to give it a shot next year.
K.Grovdal, Norway (14/06/1990) (31 in 2021)
Actually if you look at her combination of speed, and strength she is way ahead of the game compared to most distance runners. If she were to train like a middle distance runner it is conceivable that K.G. might run 159 and 359 (800/1500) or thereabouts, and by default her 3000 to 10,000 m times would /might also become quite a bit quicker (8:20/14:30/30:00).
However, at her age, not sure how long she can keep on improving, but in Norway they have a very good sports medical back up back up system so it is conceivable she could keep on improving until her mid-30s a few years from now.
When she ran that superb 10 km road race in Norway back in October (2020) she was striding out with runners who are worth in the 2930 minute range for 10 K. Monster performance.
800 Metres 2:04.23 Oslo (NOR) 23 JUN 2016 1088
1500 Metres 4:05.57 Olympiastadion, Stockholm (SWE) 10 JUN 2018 1161
One Mile 4:26.23 Bislett Stadion, Oslo (NOR) 09 JUN 2016 NR 1146
2000 Metres 5:41.04 Florø (NOR) 02 JUN 2018 NBP 1131
3000 Metres 8:37.58 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 21 JUL 2017 1182
5000 Metres 14:51.66 Olympic Stadium, London (GBR) 21 JUL 2019 1179
10,000 Metres 31:14.07 Estádio Olímpico, Rio de Janeiro (BRA) 12 AUG 2016 1180
2000 Metres Steeplechase 6:21.39 Stavanger (NOR) 10 AUG 2008 NBP 1118
3000 Metres Steeplechase 9:13.35 Sandnes (NOR) 26 AUG 2017 NR 1210
5 Kilometres 14:39 Maarud gård (NOR) 01 MAY 2021 WR(p), AR(p), NBP 1234
10 Kilometres 30:32 Hole (NOR) 17 OCT 2020 1239
Half Marathon 1:09:41 Oslo (NOR) 22 SEP 2012 1154
K.Grovdal, Norway, superb running specimen with monster abs. 31 years young, 2021. How far can she go?