Very big news for the sprint community, although he has had his ban reduced it doesn't end until November..
This now leaves possible indication as to the decision to be made against Nasser perhaps!?
Didn't his dad say he didn't do it...?
So basically Kenya is tougher on dopers than the USA these days? If he was Kenyan he would never represent his country again.
Lanced to the gills wrote:
So basically Kenya is tougher on dopers than the USA these days? If he was Kenyan he would never represent his country again.
that is because coleman hasnt done drugs but the kenyans do.
this isnt difficult.
A very good point, there is no accusation or proof of actual wrong doing apart form the negligence of the rules and the following actions in defending himself.
Now he just needs the Olympics to be delayed a few months. Stranger things have happened.
Good riddance he is certainly taking PEDs. The 3 missed tests allowed is a HUGE loophole for drug cheats and anyone missing one test is highly suspicious. This is because, when an athlete fears there may be a slight chance of testing positive because the drug perhaps hasn't cleared their system (most drugs take only 24-48 hrs to clear to yield a negative test) they can just choose to "miss the test" and they have 24 hrs advanced notice to play with and decide as well. NO PRO ATHLETE SHOULD MISS EVEN ONE TEST IF CLEAN. This is their livelihood, anyone can be available. Mo "doorbell" Farah is another infamously using the missed test loophole. These missed test athlete are guilty and we need to hold missed test athletes accountable if the sport will ever get cleaner.
AJ2000 wrote:
A very good point, there is no accusation or proof of actual wrong doing apart form the negligence of the rules and the following actions in defending himself.
Yes, but on the other hand, Kipsang for example got his banned doubled for lying about his whereabouts = tampering, like Coleman did, but Coleman got a reduction because his tester did not call him like the USADA used to do. He got off easy, again.
Why didn't Coleman get a longer ban for his tampering?
casual obsever wrote:
AJ2000 wrote:
A very good point, there is no accusation or proof of actual wrong doing apart form the negligence of the rules and the following actions in defending himself.
Yes, but on the other hand, Kipsang for example got his banned doubled for lying about his whereabouts = tampering, like Coleman did, but Coleman got a reduction because his tester did not call him like the USADA used to do. He got off easy, again.
Why didn't Coleman get a longer ban for his tampering?
Now that I agree with!
but hey... wrote:
Didn't his dad say he didn't do it...?
He started one of the best threads on LRC.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9579018STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^"""""""" wrote:
Good riddance he is certainly taking PEDs. The 3 missed tests allowed is a HUGE loophole for drug cheats and anyone missing one test is highly suspicious. This is because, when an athlete fears there may be a slight chance of testing positive because the drug perhaps hasn't cleared their system (most drugs take only 24-48 hrs to clear to yield a negative test) they can just choose to "miss the test" and they have 24 hrs advanced notice to play with and decide as well. NO PRO ATHLETE SHOULD MISS EVEN ONE TEST IF CLEAN. This is their livelihood, anyone can be available. Mo "doorbell" Farah is another infamously using the missed test loophole. These missed test athlete are guilty and we need to hold missed test athletes accountable if the sport will ever get cleaner.
+1
Kenya is banning athletes who have been suspended under the whereabouts rule for life from international competition. It's an anti-doping offence and it's an anti-doping offence for a reason. WADA and World Athletics judge that it's extremely unlikely that an athlete can miss three tests in a given time period unintentionally - they were deliberately avoiding being tested when they were hot.
Finder of Long Lost Posts wrote:
but hey... wrote:
Didn't his dad say he didn't do it...?
He started one of the best threads on LRC.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9579018
If CC didn’t miss yet another test then it would have been pretty good. Now his dad just looks like a moran.
If we are going to continue to pretend that being clean is important, taking a zero tolerance approach is the only approach that will work. You miss 3 tests, you should be banned for life. You get caught cheating ONCE you get banned for life.
And, please. CC isn't on drugs? ha ha ha ha.
Despite his fathers rant against me, I was hoping he'd be cleared for the Olympics.
What I want in the anti-doping process is consistency. I'm all for lifetime bans for proven PED usage but if we are going to do stuff like that then the testers and authorities have to be held to incredibly high standards.
Much like the police, the anti-dopers have a huge responsibility and need to be held to very high standards and need to also be filming all interactions.
But if they call one time, they need to call all the time. I don't like how they purposely didn't call Coleman this time to basically try to catch him in a missed test. If you call once, call all the time.
Today's ruling actually pisses me off (Full disclosure, I haven't had time to read it as my son is home sick). So they are saying, "Hey we made some sort of mistake so we are reducing his ban." Are you kidding me? Nope. Not if it causes a guy to miss the Olympics. Do they realize how big of a deal the Olympics are? They should either be keeping it for the full period or lifting it entirely. If we are expecting athletes to be perfect and never eat the wrong thing at a restaurant, then we must expect the same of the anti-doping authorities.
That being said, Coleman was idiotic. He's the world's fastest man. He nearly got banned a few months ago but got off on a technicality and he decided to go to Chipotle during his window. The fact that his management team allowed that is the definition of amateur hour. They should have paid someone $100 an hour to watch him during that one hour every day.
rojo wrote:But if they call one time, they need to call all the time. I don't like how they purposely didn't call Coleman this time to basically try to catch him in a missed test. If you call once, call all the time.
IIRC the third test was done by the AIU, which does not call. It's the lenient USADA which does call, apparently up to seven hours ahead of time, which is against the rules.
The biggest scandal here is the history of USADA's warning calls. Who knows how many doping infractions were left unsanctioned because of the corrupt USADA. Why don't you investigate that, Rojo?
Another scandal is that Coleman was not additionally sanctioned for tampering/lying about his whereabouts, as shown by his receipts. He should be banned for four years like Kipsang, not just for 18 months.
rojo wrote:
That being said, Coleman was idiotic. He's the world's fastest man. He nearly got banned a few months ago but got off on a technicality and he decided to go to Chipotle during his window. The fact that his management team allowed that is the definition of amateur hour. They should have paid someone $100 an hour to watch him during that one hour every day.
Either that, or he was hiding his doping. What is more likely, a doping American sub-9.8 sprinter, or an idiotic superstar with an amateurish management team?
I was unaware of the other thread. It sucks for a parent to have to put up for their child like that.
CC is an adult, and can fight his own battles—and should. I don’t think his dad did him any favors in those emails—nor do I think his girlfriend did him any favors when she tweeted at Lyles. Their self-serving attacks of his critics are at best worthless.
CC did wrong, and is now paying the price. Time to put on the big boy pants, suck it up, and move on.
That being said, I have never trusted CC, from the moment I first saw him. IDK what it is, just something about his demeanor. I would take his version of any story with a huge grain of salt, and would require extrinsic evidence to corroborate any testimony he may ever give.
I won’t miss him in any meet, because every time he competes I sense a dark cloud of suspicion. Sure there are questions about other guys too, say Gatlin—but the cloud of suspicion surrounding CC is on another level.
IF CC came out in some press conference and admitted in a genuine and unqualified way to either wrongdoing or stupidity, I would be inclined to give him another chance, and much of that suspicion would be lifted, to the point where he would be even with the other competitors.
But I haven’t seen it. They guy’s still young, it’s not too late. I don’t want to see him in meets yet. Character matters.
"While I appreciate that the arbitrators correctly found that I am a clean athlete, I am obviously disappointed that I will miss the Olympic Games this summer," said Coleman in a statement.
No, you idiot. They didn't find you "clean". The CAS thought you weren't as big of an idiot that the AIU thought you were. CAS said its Panel had determined Coleman had committed an anti-doping violation but found his "degree of negligence to be lower than that established in the challenged decision".
At first I thought it was a toss-up, but then I realized that the former is at this point a certainty.
There was a good/great quote from Jenny Simpson I believe about these missed test people. She has no tolerance for them at all, she points out first hand how easy it is to make the tests. I like her approach to these numbskulls. She got cheated out of Gold medal from one of these dirt bags.
I'll try to find it.