DNF. I wasn’t watching, IDK what happened.
DNF. I wasn’t watching, IDK what happened.
dropped after running with lead pack for 4k. she looked strained for most of the race. had heard leading up to it that her training was not good through much of covid along with whatever is going on over in ethiopia.
I watched the race after it ended. It was strange as around 3600 or so Gidey and Obiri formed a gap on Weightman and then Hassan bridged the gap only to immediately drop out at 4k when she was still in contention. Hassan looked like she was hurting bad at 3800 when they did a closeup of her but Weightman was not looking comfortable either. Great race by many of the women. NR by Hull, Rowberry ran well also.
hardly workin wrote:
DNF. I wasn’t watching, IDK what happened.
Her form was horrible today, she was struggling, even on a great day her form is not very fluid but today she was really rough.
ShilohDoesntCare wrote:
... Hassan looked like she was hurting bad at 3800 when they did a closeup of her but Weightman was not looking comfortable either. ...
Hassan always looks like she is hurting, it's her style.
i havent watched her run very much. interesting comments here. is she such a big timer that she couldn't handle finishing a race in 3rd place with something like 14:28-14:30?
no chance of winning. far off PR pace. Not even a bronze medal to collect. So what's the point?
They typically won't drug test DNF's, right?
She's starting to get Jordan Hasay syndrome = If you can't do well then quit.
The Intelligence wrote:
They typically won't drug test DNF's, right?
Actually, not juicing is probably the problem.
Yeah, that would explain why she DNF’d the Trials after getting dropped by the pack.
Oh wait...
She's just out of shape. Has taken a lot of down time this year.
Lives in Oslo wrote:
She's just out of shape. Has taken a lot of down time this year.
Happy to take the appearance money, though.
Obiri finished exactly matching Hassan's 5000 PR.... and if she was with the group when she dropped out... she cant have been "far off PR pace"
Is anyone else picking up the crazy similarities between Hassan and, well I dunno, uhh, Genzebe Dibaba here?
Lets do a little refresher on Dibaba.
Remember back in 2015 when she destroyed the WR over 1500m, taking 7 seconds off her outdoor best and then went to World Championships and ran 1.56.xx for the last 800m and basically handled the field with ease?
Then a year later her coach Jama Aden got busted a few months prior to Rio. She went and got destroyed by Kipyegon in the final 150m but still held on for silver. Since then she has not broken 3.55 for 1500m. And sure, some of you might say "but 3.55-56 is still a good level" and yes it is for a female 1500m runner - but it's not the same stratosphere as 3.50.01. If you trained a good high school boy with a 1500m PR of 3.50.01 and they were running 3.55-56 would you think that's good? Exactly.
So back to Hassan and why this sounds familiar?
1. Both athletes insanely dominant and running performances that seem to defy explanation
2. Both athletes coaches get caught/implicated/arrested/banned from the sport for doping infractions
3. Since that moment ? well draw your own conclusions....
Last night Hassan looked like she couldn't overcome her awful running form anymore (a classic tell-tale of the doped distance runner is the ability to inexplicably grind and bash through inefficient running form and still run insane times) and looked completely out of her depth in a race that a world 1500m/10000m champ should have been just fine in. She pulled out of the race because she was going to run 14.55 and be completely exposed. Covid isn't an excuse (as we saw in the results overall last night) - many of the worlds elite have used it as a measure to focus even more and train even harder as evidenced by 1.43, 3.28,12.35 on the means side and 2.29, 14.22
Hassan with no Salazar is just another 3.57ish, 14.52ish talent - which is very good by global womens standards, but not the 3.51, 4.12 (mile), 14.22 runner we think we have been witnessing the last 2 seasons in particular.
Oh, and she was doping with Alberto in case that wasn't clearly obvious from the above.
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Is anyone else picking up the crazy similarities between Hassan and, well I dunno, uhh, Genzebe Dibaba here?
Lets do a little refresher on Dibaba.
Remember back in 2015 when she destroyed the WR over 1500m, taking 7 seconds off her outdoor best and then went to World Championships and ran 1.56.xx for the last 800m and basically handled the field with ease?
Then a year later her coach Jama Aden got busted a few months prior to Rio. She went and got destroyed by Kipyegon in the final 150m but still held on for silver. Since then she has not broken 3.55 for 1500m. And sure, some of you might say "but 3.55-56 is still a good level" and yes it is for a female 1500m runner - but it's not the same stratosphere as 3.50.01. If you trained a good high school boy with a 1500m PR of 3.50.01 and they were running 3.55-56 would you think that's good? Exactly.
So back to Hassan and why this sounds familiar?
1. Both athletes insanely dominant and running performances that seem to defy explanation
2. Both athletes coaches get caught/implicated/arrested/banned from the sport for doping infractions
3. Since that moment ? well draw your own conclusions....
Last night Hassan looked like she couldn't overcome her awful running form anymore (a classic tell-tale of the doped distance runner is the ability to inexplicably grind and bash through inefficient running form and still run insane times) and looked completely out of her depth in a race that a world 1500m/10000m champ should have been just fine in. She pulled out of the race because she was going to run 14.55 and be completely exposed. Covid isn't an excuse (as we saw in the results overall last night) - many of the worlds elite have used it as a measure to focus even more and train even harder as evidenced by 1.43, 3.28,12.35 on the means side and 2.29, 14.22
Hassan with no Salazar is just another 3.57ish, 14.52ish talent - which is very good by global womens standards, but not the 3.51, 4.12 (mile), 14.22 runner we think we have been witnessing the last 2 seasons in particular.
Oh, and she was doping with Alberto in case that wasn't clearly obvious from the above.
Fair comment
Hassan more than anyone else sounded demoralized and personally affronted by Salazar's take-down and the accordant doping accusations last year at Doha. I'm not surprised that she let herself get out of shape, as her coach says. Add COVID and the Ethiopian unrest (she spent a good deal of time back in Ethiopia with family) and that's why she's out of shape. She'll be back. Too early to think Dibaba. Remember that Al Sal specialized in the gray-zone, not the illegal.
After running 3:51 in Doha:
"An emotional Hassan, however, hit back in her post-race interview at the suggestion her performances should now be viewed with suspicion.
"This was a very hard week for me and I was just so angry. I believe in clean sport, I'm always clean, I will always be clean. I believe in the Oregon Project," she said. "I've seen Alberto. He's worked really hard and that is what I know.
"I just want to show people that hard work can be better than everything. How do people think we are cheating? They think I don't get tested? I get tested every time."
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Is anyone else picking up the crazy similarities between Hassan and, well I dunno, uhh, Genzebe Dibaba here?
Lets do a little refresher on Dibaba.
Remember back in 2015 when she destroyed the WR over 1500m, taking 7 seconds off her outdoor best and then went to World Championships and ran 1.56.xx for the last 800m and basically handled the field with ease?
Then a year later her coach Jama Aden got busted a few months prior to Rio. She went and got destroyed by Kipyegon in the final 150m but still held on for silver. Since then she has not broken 3.55 for 1500m. And sure, some of you might say "but 3.55-56 is still a good level" and yes it is for a female 1500m runner - but it's not the same stratosphere as 3.50.01. If you trained a good high school boy with a 1500m PR of 3.50.01 and they were running 3.55-56 would you think that's good? Exactly.
So back to Hassan and why this sounds familiar?
1. Both athletes insanely dominant and running performances that seem to defy explanation
2. Both athletes coaches get caught/implicated/arrested/banned from the sport for doping infractions
3. Since that moment ? well draw your own conclusions....
Last night Hassan looked like she couldn't overcome her awful running form anymore (a classic tell-tale of the doped distance runner is the ability to inexplicably grind and bash through inefficient running form and still run insane times) and looked completely out of her depth in a race that a world 1500m/10000m champ should have been just fine in. She pulled out of the race because she was going to run 14.55 and be completely exposed. Covid isn't an excuse (as we saw in the results overall last night) - many of the worlds elite have used it as a measure to focus even more and train even harder as evidenced by 1.43, 3.28,12.35 on the means side and 2.29, 14.22
Hassan with no Salazar is just another 3.57ish, 14.52ish talent - which is very good by global womens standards, but not the 3.51, 4.12 (mile), 14.22 runner we think we have been witnessing the last 2 seasons in particular.
Oh, and she was doping with Alberto in case that wasn't clearly obvious from the above.
14:52 talent without Salazar LOL, if she decided to finish she would have been under 14:40
douglas burke wrote:
14:52 talent without Salazar LOL, if she decided to finish she would have been under 14:40
and while underprepared. ignore that idiot. ingibberish thread has another dumbs#it with a similar nonsense novel about cheruyot
It’s way too early to say. Only one of the five Ethiopians (Gidey) ran near their top level. Dibaba has not been the same athlete for years, way more than one bad race with a lot of factors.