Video below.
https://trackandfieldnews.com/video-webb-ritz-10000-duel-2006/
It's kind of a weird video as they put Ritz talking about the race in the middle of it but I was thrilled to see this as it still blows my mind that Webb ran 27:34 in his 10,000 debut and beat Ritz in the process.
I have a theory - Webb took less time than Ritz to propel his body 10,000 meters, and as a result crossed the line first. I know it sounds implausible, but this is actually a very common way for one runner to beat another runner in a race, especially in an event such as the 10,000 meters, which is 10,000 meters long.
fubulemon wrote:
I have a theory - Webb took less time than Ritz to propel his body 10,000 meters, and as a result crossed the line first. I know it sounds implausible, but this is actually a very common way for one runner to beat another runner in a race, especially in an event such as the 10,000 meters, which is 10,000 meters long.
Ok, smart@$$. Rojo was obviously asking how they published the story. Technical details of running a website mystify him. He is well versed in the mechanics of the sport.
Haha! Keep 'em coming boys!
What dipsh!t coach thought it was a good idea for a miler to run an all out 10k on the track??
Yikes. No wonder this guy burnt out so fast.
Because Alan Webb is the most talented US runner ever.
Johnny Jason wrote:
What dipsh!t coach thought it was a good idea for a miler to run an all out 10k on the track??
Yikes. No wonder this guy burnt out so fast.
I tend to agree with you, I know that they were attempting to potentially move up to the 5K. Didn't he run 1310 that year as well? seems kind of crazy if he was going to focus on the mile to throw him in a 10K like that. At the very least it's unorthodox.
WinnytheBish wrote:
Johnny Jason wrote:
What dipsh!t coach thought it was a good idea for a miler to run an all out 10k on the track??
Yikes. No wonder this guy burnt out so fast.
I tend to agree with you, I know that they were attempting to potentially move up to the 5K. Didn't he run 1310 that year as well? seems kind of crazy if he was going to focus on the mile to throw him in a 10K like that. At the very least it's unorthodox.
I looked it up, it looks like Webb ran the 13:10 the season before he ran the 27:34. Still same calendar year and maybe they were trying to test his strength for future rounds? Idk
you call yourself a running fan? This is common knowledge!!
WinnytheBish wrote:
Johnny Jason wrote:
What dipsh!t coach thought it was a good idea for a miler to run an all out 10k on the track??
Yikes. No wonder this guy burnt out so fast.
I tend to agree with you, I know that they were attempting to potentially move up to the 5K. Didn't he run 1310 that year as well? seems kind of crazy if he was going to focus on the mile to throw him in a 10K like that. At the very least it's unorthodox.
Pekka Vasala did the exact same thing in 1972. It turned out ok for him. Maybe you should start writing letters to elite coaches around the world and offering your valuable advice?
Johnny Jason wrote:
What dipsh!t coach thought it was a good idea for a miler to run an all out 10k on the track??
Yikes. No wonder this guy burnt out so fast.
Whats the difference between a hard 5k and 10k? Not much if your testing how good your aerobic base is. Did you also worry when Webb ran 12 XC races? It isn't too shocking to see a 13:11 5k guy running these type of times.
Perhaps worth pointing out that this aerobic-sided performance came the year before Webb's remarkable 2007 track campaign. Correlation =/= causation, but worth pondering if the aerobic emphasis set the table for the speed/power work, that he & Raczko were famous for, being able to take deeper root.
How did Alan Webb have more endurance than speed for a miler with such a relatively muscular build?
The Slow Pace was not enough to weaken Ritz, and the fastest runner can win in slow paced races, Maybe Webb gets dropped in a Sub 27 Minute race.
I so wish Alan Webb had an identical twin that was passionate about cycling. Alan Webb is the greatest cyclist that never became.
Anyway, Rojo were you asking how did Webb beat Ritz at 10,000? That's what I thought you meant, but then some other people got something different from your question, apparently. If I'm reading you right, my answer would be: Webb's 400 meter speed was about 3 seconds faster than Ritz and with Webb's aerobic capacity it took about 25 laps for them to be even. On that day Webb was better, but not always.
Personally, I think Webb would have had more success if didn't focus on the 1500/mile so much. It always would have been his best event relative to a WR, but in championship races he could have been really special in the 5000 and 10000. He also could have broke 2:10 in the marathon. Not a big deal anymore, but be had it in him.
He also could have won the Tour de France if he'd started cycling as a teenager.
plant curious wrote:
fubulemon wrote:
I have a theory - Webb took less time than Ritz to propel his body 10,000 meters, and as a result crossed the line first. I know it sounds implausible, but this is actually a very common way for one runner to beat another runner in a race, especially in an event such as the 10,000 meters, which is 10,000 meters long.
Ok, smart@$$. Rojo was obviously asking how they published the story. Technical details of running a website mystify him. He is well versed in the mechanics of the sport.
No, he was asking how they made those fancy special effects. You use a non-linear video editor to slice up the race footage and insert the interview clips, then use what's called a "transition" effect, in this case a fish-eye. There's another great effect (transform) where you can enlarge the video to fill the whole screen, but I guess they didn't have that one.
How about the fact, both of these guys are lame and neither could beat the Africans.
In an alternate timeline Webb focuses on the 5km and runs 12:46, Ritz stays on the track and nabs a bronze in the 10km, and Solinsky runs 2:06 in the marathon...
critic 100 wrote:
How about the fact, both of these guys are lame and neither could beat the Africans.
Ritz beat most of them in XC when he was young.
A few other things, for anyone interested:
Anthony Famiglietti finished less than 3 seconds back in his debut at the distance, despite running most of the race in no-man's land. He'd go on to run 3:35 and then in 2007 13:11 for 5km (6th fastest ever at the time), but never ran faster. Goucher also ran 13:10 (5th fastest ever) that same season.
Only Ritz would continue to improve, and he broke 13 in 2009 (12:56), along with Tegencamp (12:58) and Solinsky (12:56).
The US squad was legit back then. It's too bad none of them ever managed to pull out a good world championship or olympic placing. Rupp sits back in 8th all-time on the 5km lists behind all of them.
I still think Centro will end up the American record holder in the 5km by 2022. You heard it here first, folks.