Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Oh? wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

If Trump did this it would be ironic, but I wouldn't necessarily oppose it.

If all the board does is study the problem and make recommendations, the only ones against it would be those who use disinformation. Again, that's why Republicans are so nervous.

The fact you think that there is a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is telling: they are both politicians, and they both have a well recorded history of lying and abusing their power.

Not everyone that is so nervous about this development are Republicans.

The only people that are supporting this are either totalitarians, Democrats too blinded by bias to see the danger, or people who are simply too ignorant to understand the danger. Look in a mirror and figure out which one you are.

Determining what is true, and what is dis- or mis- or mal-information, is not the job of anyone except judges (whose job is literally to attempt to determine the truth of a situation and interpret the laws involved), journalists (whose job is literally to inform the public), or we the people. It is NOT the job or right of the government in power. You don't have to be part of the "opposition party" to understand that.

Fat hurts wrote:

Oh? wrote:

The fact you think that there is a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is telling: they are both politicians, and they both have a well recorded history of lying and abusing their power.

Not everyone that is so nervous about this development are Republicans.

The only people that are supporting this are either totalitarians, Democrats too blinded by bias to see the danger, or people who are simply too ignorant to understand the danger. Look in a mirror and figure out which one you are.

Determining what is true, and what is dis- or mis- or mal-information, is not the job of anyone except judges (whose job is literally to attempt to determine the truth of a situation and interpret the laws involved), journalists (whose job is literally to inform the public), or we the people. It is NOT the job or right of the government in power. You don't have to be part of the "opposition party" to understand that.

The fact that I think there's a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is indeed telling. It tells you that I trust Biden more than I trust Trump. Any rational person would.

Some Democrats use disinformation as well. And maybe they should be nervous too.

But disinformation is the lifeblood of today's Republican party. If you don't espouse the big lie, you are not welcome as a Republican. That's why Republicans are so much more nervous about it than Democrats.

Determining what is true is definitely the job of government. Government researchers search for truth every day. Government lawyers and prosecutors search for truth every day. In fact, any agency that has oversight from the FDA to the IRS employs people who search for truth every day. It is definitely part of the government's job to separate truth from fiction. That's a big part of what government does.

Fat hurts wrote:

The fact that I think there's a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is indeed telling. It tells you that I trust Biden more than I trust Trump. Any rational person would.

Some Democrats use disinformation as well. And maybe they should be nervous too.

But disinformation is the lifeblood of today's Republican party. If you don't espouse the big lie, you are not welcome as a Republican. That's why Republicans are so much more nervous about it than Democrats.

Determining what is true is definitely the job of government. Government researchers search for truth every day. Government lawyers and prosecutors search for truth every day. In fact, any agency that has oversight from the FDA to the IRS employs people who search for truth every day. It is definitely part of the government's job to separate truth from fiction. That's a big part of what government does.

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The fact that I think there's a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is indeed telling. It tells you that I trust Biden more than I trust Trump. Any rational person would.

Some Democrats use disinformation as well. And maybe they should be nervous too.

But disinformation is the lifeblood of today's Republican party. If you don't espouse the big lie, you are not welcome as a Republican. That's why Republicans are so much more nervous about it than Democrats.

Determining what is true is definitely the job of government. Government researchers search for truth every day. Government lawyers and prosecutors search for truth every day. In fact, any agency that has oversight from the FDA to the IRS employs people who search for truth every day. It is definitely part of the government's job to separate truth from fiction. That's a big part of what government does.

The government's job is determining what is true? Are you nuts???? The government's "job" is providing a place where all kinds of discourse can be conducted. Where those with some views that many don't like can still have their viewpoints expressed without someone else shouting them down. The government doesn't decide what is true and what is false. No one decides that. The government just provides a level playing area where all viewpoints can be expressed without anyone else trying to supress or silence their viewpoints.

Fat hurts wrote:

Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:

The government's job is determining what is true? Are you nuts???? The government's "job" is providing a place where all kinds of discourse can be conducted. Where those with some views that many don't like can still have their viewpoints expressed without someone else shouting them down. The government doesn't decide what is true and what is false. No one decides that. The government just provides a level playing area where all viewpoints can be expressed without anyone else trying to supress or silence their viewpoints.

So I guess you don't want the government to catch illegal immigrants any more? To do that, they have to determine the truth about which people have broken the law.

Like I said, any agency that has oversight from the FDA to the IRS employs people who search for truth every day. It is definitely part of the government's job to separate truth from fiction. That's a big part of what government does.

Real Obvi wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

The fact that I think there's a difference between Trump doing this and Biden doing this in terms of whether or not it is "ironic" is indeed telling. It tells you that I trust Biden more than I trust Trump. Any rational person would.

Some Democrats use disinformation as well. And maybe they should be nervous too.

But disinformation is the lifeblood of today's Republican party. If you don't espouse the big lie, you are not welcome as a Republican. That's why Republicans are so much more nervous about it than Democrats.

Determining what is true is definitely the job of government. Government researchers search for truth every day. Government lawyers and prosecutors search for truth every day. In fact, any agency that has oversight from the FDA to the IRS employs people who search for truth every day. It is definitely part of the government's job to separate truth from fiction. That's a big part of what government does.

For the record, I am not quite as sanguine about this notion as the Fat dude apparently is. And I would have a very difficult time writing the sentence, "Determining what is true is definitely the job of government.", outside of quoting someone else who did.

Naturally, people in government need to try to figure out what is true and what is false every day in order to do their jobs effectively. A simple example is reviewing someone's tax return. But that is true of pretty much everyone, government employee or otherwise.

I do not think that the government is particularly well suited to the task of "determining what is true" - at least not any more so than anyone else. I much prefer a free press, lots of independent scientists, etc. to a central role for government in determining the truth on any given topic.

Fat hurts wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

For the record, I am not quite as sanguine about this notion as the Fat dude apparently is. And I would have a very difficult time writing the sentence, "Determining what is true is definitely the job of government.", outside of quoting someone else who did.

Naturally, people in government need to try to figure out what is true and what is false every day in order to do their jobs effectively. A simple example is reviewing someone's tax return. But that is true of pretty much everyone, government employee or otherwise.

I do not think that the government is particularly well suited to the task of "determining what is true" - at least not any more so than anyone else. I much prefer a free press, lots of independent scientists, etc. to a central role for government in determining the truth on any given topic.

So it's ok to determine what is true when reviewing a tax return but it's not ok in general?

How about intelligence agencies? Is it ok for them to determine what is true? Are they well suited to the task?

Fat hurts wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

I am answering this question only because I am embarrassed for you (but I think you are a good guy). In the case of the intelligence agencies, they are indeed in a better position than others to attempt to determine what is true within their area of focus.

The fact that you asked this question provides further evidence that you to not understand what I posted earlier.

This gets back to my original point.

As you say, government can be very good at determining truth within an area of focus. But for this board, we don't know what the area of focus is.

Until we know more about what the board actually does and what its powers are, there is no reason to be worried about it.