Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

LOL, that’s not really the insult you intend it to be. “You have too much integrity and inexperience in cheating to come up with imaginative ways to do it! My Lord Goodge is a true genius at it!”

You so funny recruiter S 7

This one does. Sorry I don’t more colorful language for you. Gotta be me!

I hope everyone can see in real time that this guy is changing his writing style. Your blatant shilling is enough for any normal person to see that something is up with this run

No. Boots were currently on the ground for five days until the recent boots followed him for a day. Six days out of 54.

Hi all... I look away and about 5 pages, yikes. Congrats to WG for becoming a centurion on here.

The post from Observer 22 on p.96 is the most telling post of the week and top 5 of the whole thing - maybe top 2 or 3. The brief shot of Whoop data is vv rare to us, sort of like a peak behind the curtain in Wizard of Oz, and is tough to find. It flashes up for a second or two in a Whoop commercial, so you have to be super quick and screen grab it. Observer's post got a lot of up arrows but was then lost in the wash, but it's no accident that a flash of Whoop data has unlocked a Pandora's Box of red flags. This is the full data:

0649-0925 20.4k
1032-1135 8.3k
1152-1355 13.6k
1639-1742 13.7k
1756-2049 18.6k

This data presents us with so much:

1) 0649 and 2049 are indeed the Strava start and finishes of the day, no problem there.

2) He does indeed run 20.4k for the first 2.36 of the day, still all clean.

3) But then the problems start. Where is the running between 0925-1032?! On Strava he goes up a very, very steep climb just after 0925. 430m in just 6k - yikes, but according to Whoop he's not out there. He then flies down the other side of the hill, and guess what happens exactly 67 minutes after he stops on Whoop, but then returns? He runs that outlandish 7:12 mile. It looked very whacky at the time, but it is down a sharp hill, and he did wave his watch to camera and brag about it, and his HR shoots up to 163. So I believe the 7:12, but Whoop is saying he was not running for the 67 minutes before that. Explains a lot.

4) He then fires off 8.3k in 63 minutes, which is quick for him but helped by the 7.12 mile.

5) Then a small break and a believable and regular 13.6k in 2:03. A v slow pace, but no worries there.

6) Then things start to go completely wild. His HR is super low and all over the place for the rest of the day, and Whoop has him not running between 1355-1639. What on earth?! The Nucalm nap is in there, but nothing remotely on that scale.

7) Then, when he returns, an absurd and obviously impossible 13.7k in 63 mins. Outrageous stuff. Look at point 5, all but the same distance but for an hour longer.

8) The last 2hrs53 then mesh pretty perfectly with Strava, which also logs 18.6k for a very similar time, with a 2049 close of play as well.

So, if we all wanted an insight into the sort of thing that's been going on the last 7 weeks, this is the perfect snapshot. Someone asked me earlier how much of this he's been doing and I have always felt between 60-80%. Here, Whoop is giving him 74.6k of a 96.8k, for 77%, but with one huge quick spell to boot.

This is a brilliant find by Observer22, thank you so much. Blink and you'll miss it - buried away in that commercial, it just looks like any old stats page, but it gives up his secrets.

This find is akin to someone else spotting Balenger on a Strava Oklahoma leaderboad from 2019 and noticing his HR had identical patterns to WG's.

Now - can you imagine if we had access to all 53 Whoop days like this - after just one day has triggered an 8 point essay and crazy anomalies and gaps in the running?

You are an irresponsible old man who knows nothing. The Whoop strap itself doesn't have GPS and doesn't track a route unless you have a phone on you connected. Hence why Goodge's regular watch data on Strava shows the full track and the Whoop does not. Obviously Goodge was either not carrying a phone at all times or he did not toggle tracking on in the Whoop phone app after all the breaks. Cockerell, you still haven't admitted you faked much of the numbers in your "reports".

And you have never said how I fake. And what nonsense about him not carrying a phone for vast swathes of time - hours at a go.

Answer me this, without any misdirection about how you do your own personal analysis that you won't share:

Why is it that the rest of the world files an avg HR of 120-175 for their runs of this ilk, and RB and WG file at 80-120? [For four years and 14,000k, but only at these events.] Yesterday, 103 for instance.

Give me a credible reply to that and we can talk. And no more personal insults about homosexuality, sodomy, necrophilia, insanity and faeces from straight out of 1985 that you and RB solely deal in, perhaps because you're one and the same. Just try to answer the question in a calm, measured and responsible manner to forward our narrative.

We all see instantly through your graphic insults as someone who has no more to offer.

Same mistake I made Will, apparently the numbers are actually "strain scores" not distance??

No, absolutely distance, they fit perfect. Whoever said that is misdirecting. Coincidence would be astronomical. And why such a low strain of 8.3? And why does he run 8.3 k in 63 mins during the same period on Strava?

How Does WHOOP Strain Work? | WHOOP

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How Does WHOOP Strain Work? | WHOOP

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We explain what WHOOP strain is, how it’s calculated, factors that determine it, plus the relationship between strain and recovery.

Link:www.whoop.com/thelocker/how-does-whoop...

18.6/13.7/13.6/8.3/20.4 are some weird logarithmic system for assigning strain scores, based on physiological metrics measured by the whoop band....

I initially assumed they must be distance as well - but seemingly not...

That'll just be a different screen. It also clearly denotes on it "STRAIN". This screen has a picture of a runner.

These are the strain modes:

WHOOP MEASURES YOUR STRAIN ON A 0-21 SCALE. THE HIGHER IT GETS THE HARDER IT IS TO BUILD MORE.
LIGHT (0-9): Minimal stress put on the body, room for active recovery
MODERATE (10-13): Moderate stress on the body, generally good for maintaining fitness
HIGH (14-17): Increased stress and activity level, ideal for making fitness gains when training
ALL OUT (18-21): Significant stress, often overreaching, likely very difficult to recover from the next day

What would he be doing lurching from massive effort of a sprinter for 2.5 hours at the start of the day, to barely any effort at all - when we know he slams down 8k around then, and then up at a massive 18.6 effort for his closing 15k in almost 2 hours - a slow walk.

The confusion is solely because Strain numbers have a similar value to the Kms denoted here.

Regardless of whether those numbers are km's or "strains" the screenshot from the whoop app shows that he did only 9 hours 38 mins of running that day. On Strava his moving time is 12 hours 52 mins. Where did the other 3 hours and 15 mins go?

When did I ever accuse you of necrophilia? Did I accuse you of that before or after you repeatedly called Goodge a fraud to his face?

Well Sneakers says it's because he forgot his phone or didn't toggle. Bloody long time to be without a phone. No chance he'd be without it for more than 15 mins... for videos, pix, security, communication, music etc etc. And he'd notice for sure it not being there.

It is now so clear that the Nucalm nap is the perfect, failsafe time of the day to pull all this off, because you simply can't be caught. Should anyone show up, they are welcomed by the crew during that 2:45 window, and told, yep, he's right here - nap time. And there he is!

Meanwhile, someone else has gone for a run, which they're fully entitled to do to stick in a bit of the old training, should anyone ask.

Brilliantly simple. A single two second glimpse at a clumsily put up commercial, that they definitely didn't want us to see, has told us a vast sea of info. That screen is completely wild...

yeah yeah, try to deflect and justify. I'm not going to go through all your sordid insults over the past 2 months, and I've lumped you in with RB whose insults are nigh on identical to yours, but he can have the necrophilia, if that makes you feel better.

Could he not simply not be wearing the watch / phone providing the whoop app data at those times - perhaps leaving it in the van at particular points?

I don’t think it’s strain. As Will says, the coincidence would be too great. Plus, he nearly hit the max ‘strain’ at one point.

So, Will, can you confirm that the following conclusions from the numbers you quoted above;

0649-0925 20.4k
1032-1135 8.3k
1152-1355 13.6k
1639-1742 13.7k
1756-2049 18.6k

from whoop,

1) coincide perfectly with strava distance, and

2) that strain numbers of over 18 are 'all out' and 'very likely difficult to recover from for the next day', and thus

3) this means, clearly , that whoop can also display km, and must be in this case. Ergo;

4) whoop strain is another deliberate red herring, unless he can do two superhuman performance 53 days into a cross america. vanishingly unlikely.

That would work until the surprise guest stays around in anticipation of seeing Will start his afternoon run when his garmin is halfway up the road. Not to mention provide strava data for a time the visitor could recognise as being nap time.

On those occasions would they be able to bring the watch back, simply wipe the session, and then make Will run it?