We don't actually know how many get in without being caught.
Whatever the level of illegal immigration really is, we have been sustaining it for many decades.
If you want to be mad at someone, get mad at all the Republican business owners who keep hiring them. The reason they come here is for the jobs. So if you really wanted to keep them out you would just go after the business owners who flout the law. It would be a lot cheaper and more effective than adding more border agents or building new walls.
1. We do have good estimates of how many get in, and it's way higher than previous years.
2. Oh, you want to stop business owners from hiring them? Then require e-verify and punish employers who do so. And vote out Democrats in places like California that have BANNED e-verify. And strengthen our border security so that there are fewer to hire. In other words, do the opposite of what the Democrats have been doing.
You don't have to do anything about e-verify. It's a crime to hire someone who is not authorized to work in the US.
So just start arresting the business owners who do this. You can start in a red state like Texas. Just start arresting these people everywhere you can. The business owners you don't arrest will get spooked and stop breaking the law. Problem solved.
This is an easy and inexpensive plan to deal with the problem. Do you support it? Do you support arresting these lawbreakers?
We don't actually know how many get in without being caught.
Whatever the level of illegal immigration really is, we have been sustaining it for many decades.
If you want to be mad at someone, get mad at all the Republican business owners who keep hiring them. The reason they come here is for the jobs. So if you really wanted to keep them out you would just go after the business owners who flout the law. It would be a lot cheaper and more effective than adding more border agents or building new walls.
That's like saying the boat has been sinking for 3 hours already and we're still floating what's the problem??
It's not just the jobs it's the money. You claim asylum, crap out some kids and TADA you don't even have to work and you're "rich" compared to where you were back in the 3rd world.
If you want a "living wage" for everyone step one is stop importing illegals who'll work under the table for less than Americans can work for.
E-verify is the answer to the businesses hiring them. Suggesting all of the businesses are Republicn is dishonest. Democrats oppose e-verify.
The fun part is Democrats are all for open borders because they think latinos will all vote for them. Biden's approval rating is 26% with hispanics. Your plan blew up in your face.
I'm still for securing the border. Once Democrats figure out they're importing Republicans they will be demanding land mines and machine gun nests at the border.
So you don't support arresting the business owners who break the law. Got it.
Border control works when you have sufficient resources. Trump had this figured out, even without the wall.
ok so I guess you do want to end all border controls unless they look a certain way. weird.
but puleeze. immigration dropped because covid kept everyone home. And immigration is bouncing back because the US economy is roaring because of Joe-nomics and the South American economies are sucking wind. Jobs for everyone in this mammoth country tends to attract a lot of job-seekers.
sadly, If joe-nomics were a failure then we'd have a ton fewer immigrants. And less inflation. You are in effect punishing Joe for his great success.
What border controls?? Biden doesn't have any. He's even letting Title 42 expire which throws the border wide open.
The economy was better in 2019 than it is now and illegal immigration was a fraction of what it is under Biden. Your logic is laughably flawed.
2021 was the worst year on record for illegal immigration even beating out 1986 when Reagan offered amnesty to anyone who could sneak into America in time.
1. We do have good estimates of how many get in, and it's way higher than previous years.
2. Oh, you want to stop business owners from hiring them? Then require e-verify and punish employers who do so. And vote out Democrats in places like California that have BANNED e-verify. And strengthen our border security so that there are fewer to hire. In other words, do the opposite of what the Democrats have been doing.
You don't have to do anything about e-verify. It's a crime to hire someone who is not authorized to work in the US.
So just start arresting the business owners who do this. You can start in a red state like Texas. Just start arresting these people everywhere you can. The business owners you don't arrest will get spooked and stop breaking the law. Problem solved.
This is an easy and inexpensive plan to deal with the problem. Do you support it? Do you support arresting these lawbreakers?
Naive much? In what universe is this inexpensive? The ACLU would probably raise billions to defend the illegals in court.
ok so I guess you do want to end all border controls unless they look a certain way. weird.
but puleeze. immigration dropped because covid kept everyone home. And immigration is bouncing back because the US economy is roaring because of Joe-nomics and the South American economies are sucking wind. Jobs for everyone in this mammoth country tends to attract a lot of job-seekers.
sadly, If joe-nomics were a failure then we'd have a ton fewer immigrants. And less inflation. You are in effect punishing Joe for his great success.
What border controls?? Biden doesn't have any. He's even letting Title 42 expire which throws the border wide open.
The economy was better in 2019 than it is now and illegal immigration was a fraction of what it is under Biden. Your logic is laughably flawed.
2021 was the worst year on record for illegal immigration even beating out 1986 when Reagan offered amnesty to anyone who could sneak into America in time.
You don't even support arresting the business owners who hire illegal immigrants.
Did you know that the penalty for hiring 10 illegal immigrants in a year is up to 10 years in prison?
Just a small crackdown on a few of the worst offenders would send a chilling message to all the others. Problem solved.
But you don't want that. You don't really want to do anything about the problem.
What border controls?? Biden doesn't have any. He's even letting Title 42 expire which throws the border wide open.
The economy was better in 2019 than it is now and illegal immigration was a fraction of what it is under Biden. Your logic is laughably flawed.
2021 was the worst year on record for illegal immigration even beating out 1986 when Reagan offered amnesty to anyone who could sneak into America in time.
You don't even support arresting the business owners who hire illegal immigrants.
Did you know that the penalty for hiring 10 illegal immigrants in a year is up to 10 years in prison?
Just a small crackdown on a few of the worst offenders would send a chilling message to all the others. Problem solved.
But you don't want that. You don't really want to do anything about the problem.
I'm not a child so I understand how it works.
You don't just declare the employers are doing it and then put them in jail you have to prove it.
It’s very hard for the government to prove what an employer knows in his head about his workers. Prosecuting them is difficult and rarely successful when the standard is literally "reasonable doubt".
As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Can we get to the bottom of this ... On the Trump thread?!?
I looked into this alleged "Trump thread." It's full of awful, fire-breathing liberals. They have no interested in figuring out why Trump filpped the F out, or how much he lost it. None. All they want to do is bash our former President.
If there is going to be ANY substantive discussion of how bad Trump spazzed out and why, it will have to be done here, IMHFO. Because he threw a total knock-down fit. I mean he just went full boat batshift, you know? Like all mental.
You don't have to do anything about e-verify. It's a crime to hire someone who is not authorized to work in the US.
So just start arresting the business owners who do this. You can start in a red state like Texas. Just start arresting these people everywhere you can. The business owners you don't arrest will get spooked and stop breaking the law. Problem solved.
This is an easy and inexpensive plan to deal with the problem. Do you support it? Do you support arresting these lawbreakers?
Naive much? In what universe is this inexpensive? The ACLU would probably raise billions to defend the illegals in court.
Pay attention. I'm saying we need to arrest the business owners. The ACLU would not be involved.
It would be very inexpensive. A very small number of arrests and prosecutions is all it would take to have a chilling effect on the people who hire undocumented workers. That would massively cut illegal immigration.
Don't you think it's a good idea to crack down on those criminals who hire undocumented workers?
Naive much? In what universe is this inexpensive? The ACLU would probably raise billions to defend the illegals in court.
Pay attention. I'm saying we need to arrest the business owners. The ACLU would not be involved.
It would be very inexpensive. A very small number of arrests and prosecutions is all it would take to have a chilling effect on the people who hire undocumented workers. That would massively cut illegal immigration.
Don't you think it's a good idea to crack down on those criminals who hire undocumented workers?
You have to prove it... it's almost impossible. You know nothing about this...
You don't even support arresting the business owners who hire illegal immigrants.
Did you know that the penalty for hiring 10 illegal immigrants in a year is up to 10 years in prison?
Just a small crackdown on a few of the worst offenders would send a chilling message to all the others. Problem solved.
But you don't want that. You don't really want to do anything about the problem.
I'm not a child so I understand how it works.
You don't just declare the employers are doing it and then put them in jail you have to prove it.
It’s very hard for the government to prove what an employer knows in his head about his workers. Prosecuting them is difficult and rarely successful when the standard is literally "reasonable doubt".
As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's not difficult at all. The employer is required to file I-9 forms. If they don't file for every single employee, then they've broken the law. You just start going to employers you suspect and scrutinize the I-9 forms.
Also, "if an employer knows or has reason to know" that an employee is undocumented, they've broken the law. The "has reason to know" is not a big legal hurdle.
So this is not hard at all to prosecute. But even if you don't get a prosecution, just arresting and going to trial is enough to deter the perpetrators.
So are you with me? Should we go after these lawbreakers and solve the problem?
You don't even support arresting the business owners who hire illegal immigrants.
Did you know that the penalty for hiring 10 illegal immigrants in a year is up to 10 years in prison?
Just a small crackdown on a few of the worst offenders would send a chilling message to all the others. Problem solved.
But you don't want that. You don't really want to do anything about the problem.
I'm not a child so I understand how it works.
You don't just declare the employers are doing it and then put them in jail you have to prove it.
It’s very hard for the government to prove what an employer knows in his head about his workers. Prosecuting them is difficult and rarely successful when the standard is literally "reasonable doubt".
As always, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Almost 400 illegals and he gets released/commuted. The GOP and Trump betrayed us.
Pay attention. I'm saying we need to arrest the business owners. The ACLU would not be involved.
It would be very inexpensive. A very small number of arrests and prosecutions is all it would take to have a chilling effect on the people who hire undocumented workers. That would massively cut illegal immigration.
Don't you think it's a good idea to crack down on those criminals who hire undocumented workers?
You have to prove it... it's almost impossible. You know nothing about this...
We just have to provide the legal resources and the orders to go after these business-owning criminals. It's a lot less expensive than massive spending on new border agents and new walls. And it would be a lot more effective.
Pay attention. I'm saying we need to arrest the business owners. The ACLU would not be involved.
It would be very inexpensive. A very small number of arrests and prosecutions is all it would take to have a chilling effect on the people who hire undocumented workers. That would massively cut illegal immigration.
Don't you think it's a good idea to crack down on those criminals who hire undocumented workers?
You have to prove it... it's almost impossible. You know nothing about this...
You have to prove it... it's almost impossible. You know nothing about this...
We just have to provide the legal resources and the orders to go after these business-owning criminals. It's a lot less expensive than massive spending on new border agents and new walls. And it would be a lot more effective.
I don't care what he did as a businessman. He wasn't in government so it wasn't his job to fight illegal immigration. The fact is when he was PRESIDENT he did a good job controlling the border and reducing illegal immigration. And all that progress was lost when the Democrats got their hands on things.
I don't care what he did as a businessman. He wasn't in government so it wasn't his job to fight illegal immigration. The fact is when he was PRESIDENT he did a good job controlling the border and reducing illegal immigration. And all that progress was lost when the Democrats got their hands on things.
Are you slow on the uptake?
He aided and abetted those who knowingly encouraged illegal immigration.
