Oh, I see, ONLY "policies" can be applauded or condemned. Nothing else. You think that Trump's policies are perhaps slightly more defensible than his words and actions, so you vainly try to constrain the conversation. Nice try.
About his actual policies, I don't give a sh**. Since he's clearly horrendous, many of them certainly sucked. At best, they were policies that any of the other R primary competitors (or random Rs plucked from anywhere) would have championed. You could have gotten those policies without the bloated orange lying, autocratic baggage. But to an actual adult, his policies were thoroughly outshone by the non-policy list of horrors that you can't defend. And don't even try.
But let's say that ALL of his formal policies were AWESOME. That wouldn't come CLOSE to compensating for his massive, massive shortcomings (which is WAY too kind a word), starting, of course, with the attempted theft of an election.
You're a cult follower. Get out. Grow up. Something.
Why do you not care about his policies? I feel like actions speak louder than words, and if so many of them were bad can you cite one that you feel was bad? I can easily cite a few for Joe Biden, the Afghanistan military withdrawal, immigration control, and relying on foreign energy. You said “But let's say that ALL of his formal policies were AWESOME. That wouldn't come CLOSE to compensating for his massive, massive shortcomings” How do you at all justify this? If his policies were all awesome, how could those not compensate for his shortcomings? We should elect presidents based on their skill, not how much they are able to charm us. You also said “You're a cult follower. Get out. Grow up. Something.” Why should he get out, he has as much a right to be here as you do and people can and should practice free speech, unlike what the big liberal tech companies want us to do.
Any defensible policies pale in comparison to his executive behavior. Presidents have a lot of power - massive executive power, bully pulpit power, etc. - it's not just about "policies." Although the Trumpers transparently like to focus on that, because they know that most of his executive behavior is indefensible AND very naively think that Trump was some kind of genius in ANY way, including policy making. News flash: He wasn't.
Policies come and go with each Congress and administration. Smashing the rule of law, and presidential/government norms, and common decency (like giving a sh** if your people die in a pandemic), and honesty, etc., etc., are much more significant. So, yeah, I don't really give a sh** about his trade policy or tax policy or border policy, etc. Those issues aren't terribly important to me, they pale in comparison to his horrendous executive behavior, and given what I know of the man, I'm CERTAIN that they weren't genius. Trump's only genius is appealing VERY well to malleable, poor-thinking Americans.
And not only weren't his policies genius, they were CERTAINLY inspired by ONLY one or both of the following: 1) What was best ONLY for Donald Trump, and/or 2) What would play well ONLY with his knuckle-dragging base. Now, most politicians do at least a little balancing on both those things between the selfish and the defensible. But Trump sees NO reason to balance on pretty much anything, and it results in the worst president ever.
Why do you not care about his policies? I feel like actions speak louder than words, and if so many of them were bad can you cite one that you feel was bad? I can easily cite a few for Joe Biden, the Afghanistan military withdrawal, immigration control, and relying on foreign energy. You said “But let's say that ALL of his formal policies were AWESOME. That wouldn't come CLOSE to compensating for his massive, massive shortcomings” How do you at all justify this? If his policies were all awesome, how could those not compensate for his shortcomings? We should elect presidents based on their skill, not how much they are able to charm us. You also said “You're a cult follower. Get out. Grow up. Something.” Why should he get out, he has as much a right to be here as you do and people can and should practice free speech, unlike what the big liberal tech companies want us to do.
Any defensible policies pale in comparison to his executive behavior. Presidents have a lot of power - massive executive power, bully pulpit power, etc. - it's not just about "policies." Although the Trumpers transparently like to focus on that, because they know that most of his executive behavior is indefensible AND very naively think that Trump was some kind of genius in ANY way, including policy making. News flash: He wasn't.
Policies come and go with each Congress and administration. Smashing the rule of law, and presidential/government norms, and common decency (like giving a sh** if your people die in a pandemic), and honesty, etc., etc., are much more significant. So, yeah, I don't really give a sh** about his trade policy or tax policy or border policy, etc. Those issues aren't terribly important to me, they pale in comparison to his horrendous executive behavior, and given what I know of the man, I'm CERTAIN that they weren't genius. Trump's only genius is appealing VERY well to malleable, poor-thinking Americans.
And not only weren't his policies genius, they were CERTAINLY inspired by ONLY one or both of the following: 1) What was best ONLY for Donald Trump, and/or 2) What would play well ONLY with his knuckle-dragging base. Now, most politicians do at least a little balancing on both those things between the selfish and the defensible. But Trump sees NO reason to balance on pretty much anything, and it results in the worst president ever.
yeah and then it slipped away because under trump US oil production did not keep pace.
under biden we'll get back there as US oil production rises faster.
US Oil Production under Trump pretty much increased every month. You can see a huge drop-off from Feb. 2020 to Feb 2021 (Biden't first month). The drop-off is dramatic.
yeah these #s are very tricky and we're no experts.
but here, if you don't count just 'crude' oil but you include all 'petroleum products' you see where the country fell into dependence under trump. The chart at the bottom.
When politicians say that the United States was “energy independent” under former President Donald Trump, some people may get the false impression that the U.S. was 100% self-sufficient. The country still relied on foreign so...
Any defensible policies pale in comparison to his executive behavior. Presidents have a lot of power - massive executive power, bully pulpit power, etc. - it's not just about "policies." Although the Trumpers transparently like to focus on that, because they know that most of his executive behavior is indefensible AND very naively think that Trump was some kind of genius in ANY way, including policy making. News flash: He wasn't.
Policies come and go with each Congress and administration. Smashing the rule of law, and presidential/government norms, and common decency (like giving a sh** if your people die in a pandemic), and honesty, etc., etc., are much more significant. So, yeah, I don't really give a sh** about his trade policy or tax policy or border policy, etc. Those issues aren't terribly important to me, they pale in comparison to his horrendous executive behavior, and given what I know of the man, I'm CERTAIN that they weren't genius. Trump's only genius is appealing VERY well to malleable, poor-thinking Americans.
And not only weren't his policies genius, they were CERTAINLY inspired by ONLY one or both of the following: 1) What was best ONLY for Donald Trump, and/or 2) What would play well ONLY with his knuckle-dragging base. Now, most politicians do at least a little balancing on both those things between the selfish and the defensible. But Trump sees NO reason to balance on pretty much anything, and it results in the worst president ever.
Got it? Simple.
+1
great post. exactly.
When the poster uses the term "knuckle-dragging base" it is immediately obvious that the post is anything but objective and should be ignored.
I think worst president ever would have international unrest, at least one terribly failed international incident, crippling inflation due to poor handling of the economy, shortages of basic needs, and a complete lack of confidence of a majority of the American people in their ability to lead or inspire.
it's true that perhaps the most disappointing aspect of America...to me, anyway....is that despite the 'conservatives' lying to Americans for six years now, despite the first non-peaceful transfer of power in American history on their urging, despite all the raw corruption in the trump WH, despite all the arrests and convictions, despite pleading for help and welcoming help from the world's #1 villain....Americans just don't care. The same proportion will vote for Trumpists now as before.
Very disappointing.
But the other take is that Scott is no more deluded than millions of Americans who have been taken in by 'conservative' propaganda for years. Birth certificates! Benghazi! Pizzagate! Open borders! Stolen elections! Joe is senile! Joe is corrupt! The Rs have learned that their people are stupid and gullible and ignorant and are rubes, and have run their campaigns with that in mind. It works, usually.
This feels weird, because Scott Adams doesn't need defending....and still, I think this is important: he isn't a conservative. He defines himself as "to the left of Bernie."
And I take him at his word. If I had to find a public figure he is most closely aligned with, it would be Elon Musk. He's a "free speech absolutist." (Who was demonitized from YouTube for calling Nancy Pelosi a bad word.)
Anyway...this is a Joe Biden thread, right? Here's what he said about Joe Biden: "I've never met an actual Joe Biden supporter. Have you?"
Thought-provoking question. Personally, I'm a much bigger fan of Joe Biden during his "most eligible bachelor" Senate days. Especially because he didn't fade into oblivion after facing personal tragedy.
Current Biden seems dedicated to projecting a grandfatherly image, and a woke one, at that. I don't have a clear sense of what you think of the man, but many are skeptical. I hope you can see why.
What do you think of the man? Are there particular policies you support? Any you have misgivings about? While you are at it, how do you feel about Kamala?
For transparency's sake, I think Americans should get behind the President, no matter who, as the country succeeds when the President does. But Uncle Jo is having a hard time bridging what I see as a massive gap between the moderates in his party and the loudest voices. I think the former outnumber the latter by a factor of more than two-to-one. To wit: "The Squad" consists of exactly six people. (It's arguably one or two that matter.) The "Freedom Caucus," which is still around, has over forty members.
I'm much less of a provisional fan of Kamala. Biden made her the "Border Czar," and yet when she took the reins of that job, she didn't visit the border for a long, long time. When asked about it, she said, "Well, I haven't been to Europe, either!" I don't want a Vice-President who is less well-travelled than I am.
But I don't hate either one. In America, we get the leadership we deserve.
eh, I don't care very much about Adams. Armchair philosopher who throws a ton of ideas against the wall. Some are crazy some are interesting. I'm not too interested in sorting through the mess.
What do I think of Biden? He's...ok. The good is that he hires really good people, his admin is clean as a whistle, he is not a radical, he is dependable, he uses government to help the people. He is a classic modern dem who thinks the right policies can and do help people in need. He's an institutionalist.
Polcies I support: brilliant with the Ukraine sitch. Did not dominate and alienate...he has let NATO work as a unit and let other leaders have days in the sun. Brilliant operation.
The child credit was great, until the Rs killed it
All the aid to country was good - we are growing way, way, way, faster than our peers party because of that. Jobs for everyone is a great accomplishment.
but a lot of his accomplishments are technocratic that I don't really understand. this twitter account keeps a list of accomplishments on its pinned post. It's a very long list that no voters care about but has helped the nation.
YEAR ONE WHAT BIDEN HAS DONE MEGA THREAD
•1.9T American Rescue Plan •$1400 stimulus checks for adults, children, and adult dependents •1 year child tax credit expansion - $3600 0-5, $3000 6-17, removed income reqs and made fully refundable •One year EITC expansion
The bad is that he is not a leader of men. He has no charisma, which is bad in a president. Biden inspires nobody, while Obama and Trump inspired billions of people. He makes gaffes, his speech defects make him seem old....and he is old. We need 50-65 year old presidents not 80-year-olders.
I think he's doing fine pushing away the Squad. They hate him quite a bit, which tells you something.
I think worst president ever would have international unrest, at least one terribly failed international incident, crippling inflation due to poor handling of the economy, shortages of basic needs, and a complete lack of confidence of a majority of the American people in their ability to lead or inspire.
except for the inflation part, you are describing Trump.
When the poster uses the term "knuckle-dragging base" it is immediately obvious that the post is anything but objective and should be ignored.
If you watch Donald J. Trump for 5-6 years (or 5-6 minutes, if you're even kind of paying attention), and still vehemently support him, yes, your knuckles are probably dragging on the ground (but make sure that you keep your Trump flag off the ground).
If you don't quite vehemently support him, but still want him to be the most powerful person in the world (you vote for him), your knuckles might not ACTUALLY be touching the ground, but you're one with the folks who are, so.....no real political difference.
And like with adult, when are you going to explain to us why his actions were defensible? Because the actual adults on this thread think that constant pathological lying and pandemic ignoring and election stealing and a hundred other actions are things that only a knuckle-dragger would celebrate. When are you going to explain to us why we're wrong about the premise?
When the poster uses the term "knuckle-dragging base" it is immediately obvious that the post is anything but objective and should be ignored.
If you watch Donald J. Trump for 5-6 years (or 5-6 minutes, if you're even kind of paying attention), and still vehemently support him, yes, your knuckles are probably dragging on the ground (but make sure that you keep your Trump flag off the ground).
If you don't quite vehemently support him, but still want him to be the most powerful person in the world (you vote for him), your knuckles might not ACTUALLY be touching the ground, but you're one with the folks who are, so.....no real political difference.
And like with adult, when are you going to explain to us why his actions were defensible? Because the actual adults on this thread think that constant pathological lying and pandemic ignoring and election stealing and a hundred other actions are things that only a knuckle-dragger would celebrate. When are you going to explain to us why we're wrong about the premise?
You're not, because you can't.
What don't you understand about the following: "I DON'T support Trump. I want him gone from the scene and never want him back on the national political scene." It is YOU and other Libs who keep bringing up Trump. No conservative here ever even mentions Trump. We don't want him. But you Libs need a boogeyman. I understand.
If you watch Donald J. Trump for 5-6 years (or 5-6 minutes, if you're even kind of paying attention), and still vehemently support him, yes, your knuckles are probably dragging on the ground (but make sure that you keep your Trump flag off the ground).
If you don't quite vehemently support him, but still want him to be the most powerful person in the world (you vote for him), your knuckles might not ACTUALLY be touching the ground, but you're one with the folks who are, so.....no real political difference.
And like with adult, when are you going to explain to us why his actions were defensible? Because the actual adults on this thread think that constant pathological lying and pandemic ignoring and election stealing and a hundred other actions are things that only a knuckle-dragger would celebrate. When are you going to explain to us why we're wrong about the premise?
You're not, because you can't.
What don't you understand about the following: "I DON'T support Trump. I want him gone from the scene and never want him back on the national political scene." It is YOU and other Libs who keep bringing up Trump. No conservative here ever even mentions Trump. We don't want him. But you Libs need a boogeyman. I understand.
Trump is the odds-on favorite to be the next president. Take a stand on the issues of the day and stop burying your head.
I think worst president ever would have international unrest, at least one terribly failed international incident, crippling inflation due to poor handling of the economy, shortages of basic needs, and a complete lack of confidence of a majority of the American people in their ability to lead or inspire.
except for the inflation part, you are describing Trump.
But wouldn't it be fun if he found the president who had no "international unrest" of any kind across the planet during his administration ?
And not far behind that, the president who never had any embarrassing international incidents? And....
Crappy polling numbers?
Economic metrics not great across the board?
Awesome criteria. I can only wonder how close he is to getting that PhD in political science or history?
I think worst president ever would have international unrest, at least one terribly failed international incident, crippling inflation due to poor handling of the economy, shortages of basic needs, and a complete lack of confidence of a majority of the American people in their ability to lead or inspire.
I think that Trump's pathetic response to the pandemic qualifies as a failed handling of an international incident.
I don't think you would link inflation to "worst president ever". That's just silly. If you were dumb enough to only consider one economic indicator it would probably be GDP.
Any president who is voted out after one term has obviously lost the ability to lead or inspire.
Trump was definitely the worst president ever. He tried to destroy our democracy. You don't get worse than that.
What don't you understand about the following: "I DON'T support Trump. I want him gone from the scene and never want him back on the national political scene." It is YOU and other Libs who keep bringing up Trump. No conservative here ever even mentions Trump. We don't want him. But you Libs need a boogeyman. I understand.
Trump is the odds-on favorite to be the next president. Take a stand on the issues of the day and stop burying your head.
And a reminder: Voting for someone is "supporting" them. And there is zero chance he didn't vote for Trump.
Moreover, voting for a party is tacit support for their prominent and horrendous leader. Sally and the other Trumpers-in-Denial are no doubt voting for nothing but Rs.
Oh, and he was impeached twice for abuse of power. That's a pretty good indicator that he was the worst president ever.
His impeachments were political just as his acquittals were political. Sad all the way 'round.
Perfect example of non-persuasion. You wave away his impeachments with the simple word "political," without telling us WHY his conversation with Zelensky was a-ok? And his attempt to steal a presidential election was a-ok?
When the poster uses the term "knuckle-dragging base" it is immediately obvious that the post is anything but objective and should be ignored.
If you watch Donald J. Trump for 5-6 years (or 5-6 minutes, if you're even kind of paying attention), and still vehemently support him, yes, your knuckles are probably dragging on the ground (but make sure that you keep your Trump flag off the ground).
If you don't quite vehemently support him, but still want him to be the most powerful person in the world (you vote for him), your knuckles might not ACTUALLY be touching the ground, but you're one with the folks who are, so.....no real political difference.
And like with adult, when are you going to explain to us why his actions were defensible? Because the actual adults on this thread think that constant pathological lying and pandemic ignoring and election stealing and a hundred other actions are things that only a knuckle-dragger would celebrate. When are you going to explain to us why we're wrong about the premise?
You're not, because you can't.
We weren't given 7 billion names to choose from we were given TWO. Trump, for all his many faults, is head and shoulders better than Biden.
Trump didn't "ignore" the pandemic. You're lying.
Democrats absolutely cheated in the 2020 election. The media tampering alone is enough to make a rational claim that the election was stolen. But there's ample evidence of fraud as well and the truth will come out.
