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Trollminator wrote:
Cry more tzee... until at least 2028!
You are going to have to define the word tzee which you consistently use in your posts. I assume it is perjorative. But I am afraid that the Democrat voters have no sense of urgency and their mail in ballot rights will be sharply curtailed in many swing states in 2022/2024. This sets the stage for a red tide at the ballot box (ballot box, not mail facilities). Everything you fear from your MSM fear mongering journalism will come to fruition with losing first Congress and then the White House. Don't be surprised if the Republicans change a few laws that will tzee you off once they have consolidated power.
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Fat hurts wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Climate Change Proposals Favored by Solid Majorities in U.S.
Americans widely favor each of six proposals designed to limit greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to climate change. Support ranges from 59% in favor of spending federal money for building more electric vehicle charging stations in the U.S. up to 89% for providing tax credits to Americans who install clean energy systems in their homes.
All those are good proposals, but I'm not sure we really need the EV tax credit any more.
EV popularity is soaring and automakers can't keep up with orders for EVs as it is. So we don't need government incentives for Americans to buy a product they already want.It would do more for the climate to take that money and put it into more projects that promote sustainable agriculture or modernize the grid. Plus we need a lot more research into carbon capture and storage.
Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America.
Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month out around 1,200,000 cars sold every month.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
All those are good proposals, but I'm not sure we really need the EV tax credit any more.
EV popularity is soaring and automakers can't keep up with orders for EVs as it is. So we don't need government incentives for Americans to buy a product they already want.It would do more for the climate to take that money and put it into more projects that promote sustainable agriculture or modernize the grid. Plus we need a lot more research into carbon capture and storage.
Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America.
Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month out around 1,200,000 cars sold every month.
Actually, Tesla sold 310,000 cars last quarter, which is about 103,000 per month. And Tesla's numbers keep rising while Toyota's numbers keep falling. In a couple of years, the Tesla Model Y will be the best-selling car in the world.
The only reason Tesla didn't sell even more is because they can't make more. The waiting list on some models is more than a year. That's why Tesla just opened two enormous factories in Berlin and Austin. This will more than double their capacity in the next 18 months as production ramps up.
The Tesla I bought exactly one year ago now costs $15,000 more (a 25% increase). But the waiting list to get one is a mile long anyway. A little of that is from inflation, but gas cars haven't gone up 25 percent. In fact the price for new gas cars is starting to come down.
Most of the Tesla price increase is because Americans have woken up to the value of an EV. The demand is huuuuuuuuge!!!
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14 months in office and not even 1000 pages yet. Biden thread is a fail
Maybe it will go somewhere when Hunter is charged and prostituted
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Fat hurts wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America.
Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month out around 1,200,000 cars sold every month.
Actually, Tesla sold 310,000 cars last quarter, which is about 103,000 per month. And Tesla's numbers keep rising while Toyota's numbers keep falling. In a couple of years, the Tesla Model Y will be the best-selling car in the world.
The only reason Tesla didn't sell even more is because they can't make more. The waiting list on some models is more than a year. That's why Tesla just opened two enormous factories in Berlin and Austin. This will more than double their capacity in the next 18 months as production ramps up.
The Tesla I bought exactly one year ago now costs $15,000 more (a 25% increase). But the waiting list to get one is a mile long anyway. A little of that is from inflation, but gas cars haven't gone up 25 percent. In fact the price for new gas cars is starting to come down.
Most of the Tesla price increase is because Americans have woken up to the value of an EV. The demand is huuuuuuuuge!!!
No they didn't....
You're confusing global sales with American sales...
310,000 is still a laughably low number globally.
As with every other topic you're completely out of touch with reality.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Actually, Tesla sold 310,000 cars last quarter, which is about 103,000 per month. And Tesla's numbers keep rising while Toyota's numbers keep falling. In a couple of years, the Tesla Model Y will be the best-selling car in the world.
The only reason Tesla didn't sell even more is because they can't make more. The waiting list on some models is more than a year. That's why Tesla just opened two enormous factories in Berlin and Austin. This will more than double their capacity in the next 18 months as production ramps up.
The Tesla I bought exactly one year ago now costs $15,000 more (a 25% increase). But the waiting list to get one is a mile long anyway. A little of that is from inflation, but gas cars haven't gone up 25 percent. In fact the price for new gas cars is starting to come down.
Most of the Tesla price increase is because Americans have woken up to the value of an EV. The demand is huuuuuuuuge!!!
No they didn't....
You're confusing global sales with American sales...
310,000 is still a laughably low number globally.
As with every other topic you're completely out of touch with reality.
You didn't say US sales. You just said "Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month", which is way off no matter how you slice it.
So going by your source, last month Tesla sold 111,617 cars for a year-over-year INCREASE of 370%. Toyota sold 170,664 cars for a year-over-year DECREASE of 18%.
+370% is a lot better than -18%.
Tesla's growth is huge while Toyota is faltering.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Actually, Tesla sold 310,000 cars last quarter, which is about 103,000 per month. And Tesla's numbers keep rising while Toyota's numbers keep falling. In a couple of years, the Tesla Model Y will be the best-selling car in the world.
The only reason Tesla didn't sell even more is because they can't make more. The waiting list on some models is more than a year. That's why Tesla just opened two enormous factories in Berlin and Austin. This will more than double their capacity in the next 18 months as production ramps up.
The Tesla I bought exactly one year ago now costs $15,000 more (a 25% increase). But the waiting list to get one is a mile long anyway. A little of that is from inflation, but gas cars haven't gone up 25 percent. In fact the price for new gas cars is starting to come down.
Most of the Tesla price increase is because Americans have woken up to the value of an EV. The demand is huuuuuuuuge!!!
No they didn't....
You're confusing global sales with American sales...
310,000 is still a laughably low number globally.
As with every other topic you're completely out of touch with reality.
I don't think he is confusing anything. Last quarter Tesla sales in American was 110,000. He is screwing around with the data to inflate Tesla's sales in the country. He knows fully well that bogus 310,000 number is global sales. Tsk tsk, Fat Hurts.
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Fat hurts wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
No they didn't....
You're confusing global sales with American sales...
310,000 is still a laughably low number globally.
As with every other topic you're completely out of touch with reality.
You didn't say US sales. You just said "Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month", which is way off no matter how you slice it.
So going by your source, last month Tesla sold 111,617 cars for a year-over-year INCREASE of 370%. Toyota sold 170,664 cars for a year-over-year DECREASE of 18%.
+370% is a lot better than -18%.
Tesla's growth is huge while Toyota is faltering.
"Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America."A rational person would understand that "Americans" and the "US market" were referring to.... Americans and the US market.
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Just take the L and move on you're embarrassing yourself.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
There is only 1 reason to oppose voter ID laws.
There is only 1 reason to refuse to clean up voter rolls.
Heritage and The Federalist? You are a moron.
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Hooma wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
There is only 1 reason to oppose voter ID laws.
There is only 1 reason to refuse to clean up voter rolls.
Heritage and The Federalist? You are a moron.
NAMBLA didn't do a study... Sorry I can't provide any propaganda for your side.
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Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Speaking of being wrong, I said I bought a new car in fall of 2022. That was obviously wrong. I bought it in fall of 2021 (it is a 2022, but I bought it in fall 2021).
So, I was wrong. For that, I apologize unreservedly.
Flagpole admitting he was wrong ...
INCORRECT! I probably have admitted to being wrong about something more than anyone on this site, and when I am wrong about something (which I always acknowledge), I add the phrase "I apologize unreservedly" so that you can look it up any time you wish. I started doing that a while ago now after being accused of never admitting to being wrong about something, so not all of my admissions have that tagline, but there are a lot of them. So, you are wrong yet again. Shocker.
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Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Yeah...um...so a politician is blaming someone else for something so that he doesn't get any of the blame and that it appears he is working hard or at least complaining about the situation so that ultimately he looks good. Um...ok.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Not for long. Your own source has Tesla growing at 370%. Almost every other brand is losing sales. Their days are numbered.
Americans have woken up to the value of EVs and this is also true worldwide. That's why Tesla is worth more than all other major automakers combined. Investors know that Tesla is taking over. The automakers know it too.
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Fat hurts wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Not for long. Your own source has Tesla growing at 370%. Almost every other brand is losing sales. Their days are numbered.
Americans have woken up to the value of EVs and this is also true worldwide. That's why Tesla is worth more than all other major automakers combined. Investors know that Tesla is taking over. The automakers know it too.
370% of a tiny market share... Once EV's are actually in demand the major auto makers will get in the game for real and Tesla won't have 80% of the market.
Americans have not "woken up" EV sales are a tiny fraction of auto sales.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You didn't say US sales. You just said "Tesla sells like 21,000 cars a month", which is way off no matter how you slice it.
So going by your source, last month Tesla sold 111,617 cars for a year-over-year INCREASE of 370%. Toyota sold 170,664 cars for a year-over-year DECREASE of 18%.
+370% is a lot better than -18%.
Tesla's growth is huge while Toyota is faltering.
"Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America."A rational person would understand that "Americans" and the "US market" were referring to.... Americans and the US market.
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Just take the L and move on you're embarrassing yourself.
Ok, you and Sally and whomever else who is arguing that no one wants electric cars are almost as out of your mind about that as you are your insane political stances.
This is a losing argument you are having, and since it's not just a philosophical one, it is simply time that will show how wrong you are.
Only time will tell if Tesla remains the king of the EVs, but people CLEARLY want EVs. Hell, I want an EV. Almost every major car maker now has at least one EV offering. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one that doesn't.
There are a few things right now keeping people from getting themselves an EV, and those things are quickly changing IN FAVOR of getting the EV:
1) Initial cost to own.
2) Battery issues - range, charge time, lack of charging stations.
3) Vehicle variety.
EVs WILL be the dominant vehicles, and soon. I have a new 2022 GAS vehicle, but the next newest of my other two cars is a 2011, and while it is a Honda CRV with only 110,000 miles on it and I could easily drive it another 10 years (and might), there is no way my next vehicle is not an EV. I'm in the same situation as a ton of people. Gas vehicles will go the way of the rotary phone.
While your (and Sally's) political arguments are stupid and dangerous to our Democratic Republic, this EV stance of yours is just plain silly.
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Flagpole wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
"Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America."A rational person would understand that "Americans" and the "US market" were referring to.... Americans and the US market.
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Just take the L and move on you're embarrassing yourself.
Ok, you and Sally and whomever else who is arguing that no one wants electric cars are almost as out of your mind about that as you are your insane political stances.
This is a losing argument you are having, and since it's not just a philosophical one, it is simply time that will show how wrong you are.
Only time will tell if Tesla remains the king of the EVs, but people CLEARLY want EVs. Hell, I want an EV. Almost every major car maker now has at least one EV offering. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one that doesn't.
There are a few things right now keeping people from getting themselves an EV, and those things are quickly changing IN FAVOR of getting the EV:
1) Initial cost to own.
2) Battery issues - range, charge time, lack of charging stations.
3) Vehicle variety.
EVs WILL be the dominant vehicles, and soon. I have a new 2022 GAS vehicle, but the next newest of my other two cars is a 2011, and while it is a Honda CRV with only 110,000 miles on it and I could easily drive it another 10 years (and might), there is no way my next vehicle is not an EV. I'm in the same situation as a ton of people. Gas vehicles will go the way of the rotary phone.
While your (and Sally's) political arguments are stupid and dangerous to our Democratic Republic, this EV stance of yours is just plain silly.
It is "whoever" Flagpole - not "whomever." You use the subject pronoun. Just embarrassing for one who has a journalism degree (allegedly).
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Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Ok, you and Sally and whomever else who is arguing that no one wants electric cars are almost as out of your mind about that as you are your insane political stances.
This is a losing argument you are having, and since it's not just a philosophical one, it is simply time that will show how wrong you are.
Only time will tell if Tesla remains the king of the EVs, but people CLEARLY want EVs. Hell, I want an EV. Almost every major car maker now has at least one EV offering. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one that doesn't.
There are a few things right now keeping people from getting themselves an EV, and those things are quickly changing IN FAVOR of getting the EV:
1) Initial cost to own.
2) Battery issues - range, charge time, lack of charging stations.
3) Vehicle variety.
EVs WILL be the dominant vehicles, and soon. I have a new 2022 GAS vehicle, but the next newest of my other two cars is a 2011, and while it is a Honda CRV with only 110,000 miles on it and I could easily drive it another 10 years (and might), there is no way my next vehicle is not an EV. I'm in the same situation as a ton of people. Gas vehicles will go the way of the rotary phone.
While your (and Sally's) political arguments are stupid and dangerous to our Democratic Republic, this EV stance of yours is just plain silly.
It is "whoever" Flagpole - not "whomever." You use the subject pronoun. Just embarrassing for one who has a journalism degree (allegedly).
Yawn.
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Flagpole wrote:
Sally Vixxxxxxxxens wrote:
It is "whoever" Flagpole - not "whomever." You use the subject pronoun. Just embarrassing for one who has a journalism degree (allegedly).
Yawn.
Don't feel too bad. Most rednecks would screw that up as well. You are in good company.
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Flagpole wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
"Only problem being Americans don't want EV's... lol.
Tesla accounts for 79% of the US EV market and it is only the 27th most popular brand in America."A rational person would understand that "Americans" and the "US market" were referring to.... Americans and the US market.
Toyota is the #1 brand in the world. They literally sold more cars today than Tesla will sell all month. There's also more than a dozen other automakers who sell more cars than Tesla...
Just take the L and move on you're embarrassing yourself.
Ok, you and Sally and whomever else who is arguing that no one wants electric cars are almost as out of your mind about that as you are your insane political stances.
This is a losing argument you are having, and since it's not just a philosophical one, it is simply time that will show how wrong you are.
Only time will tell if Tesla remains the king of the EVs, but people CLEARLY want EVs. Hell, I want an EV. Almost every major car maker now has at least one EV offering. Off the top of my head, I can't think of one that doesn't.
There are a few things right now keeping people from getting themselves an EV, and those things are quickly changing IN FAVOR of getting the EV:
1) Initial cost to own.
2) Battery issues - range, charge time, lack of charging stations.
3) Vehicle variety.
EVs WILL be the dominant vehicles, and soon. I have a new 2022 GAS vehicle, but the next newest of my other two cars is a 2011, and while it is a Honda CRV with only 110,000 miles on it and I could easily drive it another 10 years (and might), there is no way my next vehicle is not an EV. I'm in the same situation as a ton of people. Gas vehicles will go the way of the rotary phone.
While your (and Sally's) political arguments are stupid and dangerous to our Democratic Republic, this EV stance of yours is just plain silly.
You're in no position to figure out which arguments are stupid.
More people want gas cars than EV's.
It is idiotic to pretend this isn't the case.
EV's are probably the future. The future isn't now.
EV's won't even be the dominant vehicles on the road in California in the next 10 years let alone in the rest of America.
You're wrong about everything and blissfully unaware.... lol...
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