You are an idiot. Hillary conceded the election immediately. Trump still has not and in fact is still spreading his Big Lie. Hillary has not done that. Hillary didn't attempt a coup. No one compares to the criminal and anti-American behavior of Trump. You look silly trying to make a comparison.
CORRECT!
"adult" is multiple Trump wastelines past mere "silly."
It is pathological stupidity to continually compare blue states and red states on metrics like this as if they are homogeneous. Almost HALF of the people in blue states are "red" and almost HALF of the people red states are blue.
Divorce rates are a tiny bit of the picture. You're counting divorced women and ignoring all the women who have multiple kids with multiple men and never got married.
You are a moron.
Your last five posts:
1) You are a moron
2) You are a moron
3) You are a moron
4) You are a moron
5) You are a moron
Why the heck do you come here if you don't contribute?
"Employment is down by 1.6 million, or 1.0 percent, from its pre-pandemic level in February 2020."
Over 6 MILLION "new" jobs created by Biden and we're still 1.6 MILLION workers short of where we were in February 2020.
yes, it's true that the trump years were a disaster and all the lost jobs in that era are taking some time to get back. As usual, a Republican administration ended in recession and millions of job losses.
Is that how simplistic you want to talk, Adult? And still call yourself an 'adult?' because if you want simple but stupid I can do that too. I just did it.
Or we can be more mature and say something like below:
Of course we lost millions of jobs because of covid and early retirements. but the jobs are coming back faster than just about anyone expected. it's a very sharp V shape recovery, due to Joe-nomics and the power of the US economy.
But because of the aging of the US population jobs numbers will have a drag until the boomers die off - many older people are retiring and we dont' have enough young people to replace them anymore.
Isn't that better?
agip, if you're doing this because you truly enjoy it, OK. Kinda weird (and I could be semi-hypocritical in that respect, but....) OK.
But if you still think that you stand ANY, TINY chance of making adult slightly less stupid....come on (ditto G and S). Seriously. It's not worth it. There are actual adults with whom to talk.
We probably need Trollminator (sp?) to set you straight !!!
yes, it's true that the trump years were a disaster and all the lost jobs in that era are taking some time to get back. As usual, a Republican administration ended in recession and millions of job losses.
Is that how simplistic you want to talk, Adult? And still call yourself an 'adult?' because if you want simple but stupid I can do that too. I just did it.
Or we can be more mature and say something like below:
Of course we lost millions of jobs because of covid and early retirements. but the jobs are coming back faster than just about anyone expected. it's a very sharp V shape recovery, due to Joe-nomics and the power of the US economy.
But because of the aging of the US population jobs numbers will have a drag until the boomers die off - many older people are retiring and we dont' have enough young people to replace them anymore.
Isn't that better?
agip, if you're doing this because you truly enjoy it, OK. Kinda weird (and I could be semi-hypocritical in that respect, but....) OK.
But if you still think that you stand ANY, TINY chance of making adult slightly less stupid....come on (ditto G and S). Seriously. It's not worth it. There are actual adults with whom to talk.
We probably need Trollminator (sp?) to set you straight !!!
well sure ok
I have a soft spot for libertarians - they just hang on theory so much...it's amusing watching them try to hold on to their beautiful theory as almost every fact goes against them.
and I think he is very young...I feel like Yoda educating a problem youngling.
I can attack all but will focus on Numero 4. You say the Fed is going to be addressing the 40-year high in inflation. WHEN are they going to be addressing this? A year ago Biden said the high inflation was going to be temporary but a year later the inflation is at 40-year highs and keep skyrocketing upwards. When is Biden going to do anything about these 40-year highs in inflation? Every time I go to Kroger or HEB the prices continue to go through the roof. What had Biden to help out us poor citizens??? And gas prices. They were like $2.20 when Trump left office. I am not giving Biden credit for anything with gas prices. They have more than doubled under him. He blames everything on Putin but everything went south prior to invastion of Ukraine. Things went south when Biden became president. He has ruined everything.
SOME fair questions and points (mostly not though).
1) What Biden said is true...the high inflation will be temporary. Easy to say. Impossible to argue. High inflation is ALWAYS temporary. Temporary is relative. Kind of a non-committal comment from Biden. Meh.
2) The Fed has announced it is going to aggressively raise rates. I am not privy to the exact time table.
3) You are off the rails with the gas prices thing though, brother. When we had lower gas prices under Trump, we were in a recession and in the fire of the pandemic. A recession alone will cause gas prices to drop, but when you add in that very rare pandemic that greatly affected demand, that explains the lower gas prices. So, if you'd like another recession or another raging pandemic, we can have lower gas prices.
4) Biden has "ruined everything?" Well, that's nonsense and not even worthy of a response other than to tell you that's nonsense.
1. The "temporary" inflation in the 70s and 80s lasted 5 years. You're confusing the geological definition of "temporary" with the political definition. Inflation isn't goin away this year or next and the worst of it hasn't even gotten here yet. That is NOT temporary.
2. Economists say the Fed is too little too late and their aggressiveness will just trigger a recession.
3. There was no recession under Trump until the pandemic hit. Gas prices never broke $2.80 nationally and were $2.24 during 2020 with the recession. Biden had gas up to $3.28 in 2021 LONG before the Ukraine war. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about you're just making things up to defend your politics.
4. It's hyperbole sure but it's certainly more realistic than that the "the economy is doing great" nonsense the leftists are spewing these days.
1) The economy was booming pre-Covid all the way back to March of 2009 when the boom began after The Great Recession that GWB handed off to Obama.
LOL! No... Obama inherited an economy at the bottom of a complete collapse. The anemic recovery was NOT a "booming" economy. When you start at rock bottom there's no where to go but up. The economy didn't even get back to pre-crash level until 2013. An actual Pepsi machine could have occupied the Oval Office from 2009-2013 and done a better job on the economy simply by doing nothing.
2) PART of the reason the US did so poorly with jobs, etc. during the pandemic was Trump's horrible handling of it, politicizing the virus.
The notion that Trump politicized the virus is obscene. CNN ran a death counter 24/7 until Biden took office. Trump did what the idiots at the CDC and Fauci told him to do.
3) PART of the reason the jobs came back so quickly is that Biden made it a priority (spent MONEY on it) to get shots in arms.
Only problem being we still have less people working today than we did in February 2020...
4) Inflation is NOT in double digits. The inflation is high enough for you to make that a point without lying about how bad it is. The Fed is going to be attacking this. Gas prices have already fallen from their highs. Are you going to credit Biden for the gas price drop? Are you going to credit Biden when inflation numbers begin to get better (because they will)?
The "real" rate is 7.9%. If you've been to the store lately that number is NOT what the market is going by. The FED isn't going to do anything. We're $30 TRILLION in debt. It costs $400 BILLION to service the interest on the debt with interest rates near 0. What do you think happens when they raise the rates? The pain from the Ukraine war isn't even being felt yet. It's going to get MUCH MUCH worse before it gets better.
5) What agip is doing there is NOT spin. It is reality. In many key indicators, the US economy is booming.
The economy is not doing well. Cherry picking and misrepresenting statistics to sell a narrative is the literal definition of spin.
6) There are some economic headwinds. Some experts have predicted a recession in 2023. Fair enough. That is NOT the case right now though, and it may not happen. As a snapshot in time, the US economy is doing pretty well, even with the stupid drag on it from the war in Ukraine. Unemployment is down, wages are up, supply chain issues are still present, but that has improved.
Of COURSE some things have improved the economy was basically turned OFF for 2 years... That's not Biden that's COVID waning.
8) You are very ill-informed on all things political. The discussions that go on in this thread are above your intellect and knowledge. You believe conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact. You would be better off finding another subject to discuss. This is not for you.
I'm very well informed actually. I just don't happen to agree with you and Joy Behar and Lebron James and the other mental titans you have identical opinions with.
1) Sorry, but the economy began its boom from March 2009...very steadily getting better, and not slowly either. The vast majority of Obama's time in office was under an economic boom that continued into Trump's dictatorship.
2) Trump absolutely politicized the virus. No debate.
3) We have fewer people working today instead of pre-COVID for three main reasons (in order of importance): A) Baby Boomers retiring completely. They are older. They don't want to be exposed to COVID out in the workplace, and many did very well in the stock market the last 13 years. B) The pandemic AND the stupid America First mantra kept needed immigrants from coming here. C) Lots of people died due to the pandemic.
4) Inflation -- I didn't even read whatever nonsense you put there. You said double-digit inflation when that's not what we have. I called you out on that. No need for me to read any more of your nonsense about that.
5) INCORRECT! Inflation is really the only bad indicator we have now. We need more workers, so in my opinion we should loosen up rules to get more immigrants here. More workers helps with tax revenue. The economy is straight up busting. Yeah, I said "busting."
6) Doesn't matter WHY the economy is better. I never said it was better due to Biden policies. It just IS better. Things ALWAYS get better following recessions, and Obama and Biden have been the beneficiaries of that. I just look at facts.
7) Guess you can't count to 7 since you went from 6 to 8.
8) No, you are not very well informed. You disagreeing with me has nothing to do about it. You believe nonsense conspiracy theories. You don't see facts. You make ridiculous statements about mid-term elections as if they mean anything other than that's what voters do. You are the most ill-informed person who posts in this thread. This is not for you. Full stop.
SOME fair questions and points (mostly not though).
1) What Biden said is true...the high inflation will be temporary. Easy to say. Impossible to argue. High inflation is ALWAYS temporary. Temporary is relative. Kind of a non-committal comment from Biden. Meh.
2) The Fed has announced it is going to aggressively raise rates. I am not privy to the exact time table.
3) You are off the rails with the gas prices thing though, brother. When we had lower gas prices under Trump, we were in a recession and in the fire of the pandemic. A recession alone will cause gas prices to drop, but when you add in that very rare pandemic that greatly affected demand, that explains the lower gas prices. So, if you'd like another recession or another raging pandemic, we can have lower gas prices.
4) Biden has "ruined everything?" Well, that's nonsense and not even worthy of a response other than to tell you that's nonsense.
1. The "temporary" inflation in the 70s and 80s lasted 5 years. You're confusing the geological definition of "temporary" with the political definition. Inflation isn't goin away this year or next and the worst of it hasn't even gotten here yet. That is NOT temporary.
2. Economists say the Fed is too little too late and their aggressiveness will just trigger a recession.
3. There was no recession under Trump until the pandemic hit. Gas prices never broke $2.80 nationally and were $2.24 during 2020 with the recession. Biden had gas up to $3.28 in 2021 LONG before the Ukraine war. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about you're just making things up to defend your politics.
4. It's hyperbole sure but it's certainly more realistic than that the "the economy is doing great" nonsense the leftists are spewing these days.
the highest recorded gas price when Trump was president lands at $2.987 in May of 2018 as recorded by the EIA.
People have been moving from blue states to Tennessee in droves and the economy is booming. That means the state has budget surpluses and can afford to cut taxes. Try not to sound too jealous!
BTW the state ranked 43rd in K-12 education on the list I just looked up is actually California
(the story is about MS, not TN)
My bad, read the city in the first sentence. But what then is MS supposed to emulate from blue states? Many big blue cities have super high dropout rates, even NYC, which as mentioned strongly correlates with demographics
and note that the first part of that post was meant to mock simpleton arguments.
1. Crediting Biden for a recovery that began under Trump (+33% GDP in 2020q3) and was forecast regardless of who won in 2020
2. Blaming whoever is in charge of the executive branch for a recession, even going as far as to blame Bush for the dotcom bubble collapse that happened a few weeks after he took office (recent post)
Normal American Stupid: The vast majority of voters thinking that they know enough about economics to base much, if any, of their presidential choice on the vicissitudes of the economy leading up to Election Day.
EXTRA JUMBO American Stupid: Voting for the pro-autocracy party because the economy under the other party is lacking in some way - even if pretty significant.
First world economies ebb and flow. Democracy can die forever.
It is pathological stupidity to continually compare blue states and red states on metrics like this as if they are homogeneous. Almost HALF of the people in blue states are "red" and almost HALF of the people red states are blue.
Divorce rates are a tiny bit of the picture. You're counting divorced women and ignoring all the women who have multiple kids with multiple men and never got married.
You are a moron.
Hooma: The low-key Trollminator (....or nonequals).
My bad, read the city in the first sentence. But what then is MS supposed to emulate from blue states? Many big blue cities have super high dropout rates, even NYC, which as mentioned strongly correlates with demographics
well you can't look at places like NYC with high african-american populations in the school system - that just skews everything.
I dunno. The NE is very rich, has low divorce rates and low single parenting rates. Good stuff going on. I suspect better education, higher taxes and a better safety net are big parts. but I don't have a good answer for you. The South has always been poor. Not sure why.
agip, if you're doing this because you truly enjoy it, OK. Kinda weird (and I could be semi-hypocritical in that respect, but....) OK.
But if you still think that you stand ANY, TINY chance of making adult slightly less stupid....come on (ditto G and S). Seriously. It's not worth it. There are actual adults with whom to talk.
We probably need Trollminator (sp?) to set you straight !!!
well sure ok
I have a soft spot for libertarians - they just hang on theory so much...it's amusing watching them try to hold on to their beautiful theory as almost every fact goes against them.
and I think he is very young...I feel like Yoda educating a problem youngling.
And as mentioned, or at least alluded to, previously, bestowing an actual political philosophy (libertarian) on him seems WAY too generous.
My bad, read the city in the first sentence. But what then is MS supposed to emulate from blue states? Many big blue cities have super high dropout rates, even NYC, which as mentioned strongly correlates with demographics
well you can't look at places like NYC with high african-american populations in the school system - that just skews everything.
MS is 37% African-American... NYC is 25% African-American (plus many other minorities obviously). If you're going to contrast MS to another location it has to be somewhere where lots of African-Americans are succeeding. MS isn't just going to copy what worked for New England
yes, it's true that the trump years were a disaster and all the lost jobs in that era are taking some time to get back. As usual, a Republican administration ended in recession and millions of job losses.
Is that how simplistic you want to talk, Adult? And still call yourself an 'adult?' because if you want simple but stupid I can do that too. I just did it.
Or we can be more mature and say something like below:
Of course we lost millions of jobs because of covid and early retirements. but the jobs are coming back faster than just about anyone expected. it's a very sharp V shape recovery, due to Joe-nomics and the power of the US economy.
But because of the aging of the US population jobs numbers will have a drag until the boomers die off - many older people are retiring and we dont' have enough young people to replace them anymore.
Isn't that better?
agip, if you're doing this because you truly enjoy it, OK. Kinda weird (and I could be semi-hypocritical in that respect, but....) OK.
But if you still think that you stand ANY, TINY chance of making adult slightly less stupid....come on (ditto G and S). Seriously. It's not worth it. There are actual adults with whom to talk.
We probably need Trollminator (sp?) to set you straight !!!
oh yes on that - confirming that tzees deserve nothing but ridicule and emojis
SOME fair questions and points (mostly not though).
1) What Biden said is true...the high inflation will be temporary. Easy to say. Impossible to argue. High inflation is ALWAYS temporary. Temporary is relative. Kind of a non-committal comment from Biden. Meh.
2) The Fed has announced it is going to aggressively raise rates. I am not privy to the exact time table.
3) You are off the rails with the gas prices thing though, brother. When we had lower gas prices under Trump, we were in a recession and in the fire of the pandemic. A recession alone will cause gas prices to drop, but when you add in that very rare pandemic that greatly affected demand, that explains the lower gas prices. So, if you'd like another recession or another raging pandemic, we can have lower gas prices.
4) Biden has "ruined everything?" Well, that's nonsense and not even worthy of a response other than to tell you that's nonsense.
1. The "temporary" inflation in the 70s and 80s lasted 5 years. You're confusing the geological definition of "temporary" with the political definition. Inflation isn't goin away this year or next and the worst of it hasn't even gotten here yet. That is NOT temporary.
2. Economists say the Fed is too little too late and their aggressiveness will just trigger a recession.
3. There was no recession under Trump until the pandemic hit. Gas prices never broke $2.80 nationally and were $2.24 during 2020 with the recession. Biden had gas up to $3.28 in 2021 LONG before the Ukraine war. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about you're just making things up to defend your politics.
4. It's hyperbole sure but it's certainly more realistic than that the "the economy is doing great" nonsense the leftists are spewing these days.
1) Something that eventually ends is temporary by definition. Again, a non-comment from Biden.
2) SOME economists say that. The fact remains that The Fed has promised to aggressively raise rates...as I said.
3) Doesn't matter why the recession hit under Trump, only that it did. Yes, gas prices rose once Biden took office because the recession ended. I clearly said that a recession in and of itself can cause a drop in gas prices. Dude, you are barking up the wrong tree trying to debate with me.
4) No, "Biden ruined everything" is completely wrong. As we sit here today, the economy is doing great. Fact. I will take rising wages for workers and a 3.6% unemployment rate any day. GDP is up too. You're wrong.
1) Sorry, but the economy began its boom from March 2009...very steadily getting better, and not slowly either. The vast majority of Obama's time in office was under an economic boom that continued into Trump's dictatorship.
This is one of the dumber things you've ever said in a long history of idiotic statements.
GDP growth literally decreased in 4 of Obama's 8 years. Growth broke 3% 1 time despite starting at ROCK BOTTOM. At no point was it "booming"
2) Trump absolutely politicized the virus. No debate.
Trump's first response to the virus was to try and restrict travel from China. The left's response was a media crusade calling Trump "RACIST" for trying to restrict travel from the country the virus originated in... You so "no debate" because anyone who looks will notice the left politicized it first.
From the moment COVID-19 appeared, the pandemic became inseparable from politics. Political frenzy was inevitable since the SARS-CoV-2 virus may have escaped from a level-4-security virology lab in…
3) We have fewer people working today instead of pre-COVID for three main reasons (in order of importance): A) Baby Boomers retiring completely. They are older. They don't want to be exposed to COVID out in the workplace, and many did very well in the stock market the last 13 years. B) The pandemic AND the stupid America First mantra kept needed immigrants from coming here. C) Lots of people died due to the pandemic.
You're inventing reasons without actually looking. Half the fast food joints in the coutnry aren't closing at 8pm on weekdays because Baby Boomers retired.
4) Inflation -- I didn't even read whatever nonsense you put there. You said double-digit inflation when that's not what we have. I called you out on that. No need for me to read any more of your nonsense about that.
You don't understand inflation. The real rate is 7.9%. People aren't paying 7.9% more at the grocery store. The cost of meat, poultry, fish and eggs is 13% higher since February 2021. Fresh fruit has gone up 10.6% in price in that time. As always you just don't know what you're talking about.
5) INCORRECT! Inflation is really the only bad indicator we have now. We need more workers, so in my opinion we should loosen up rules to get more immigrants here. More workers helps with tax revenue. The economy is straight up busting. Yeah, I said "busting."
LOL! Tell me you have no basic understanding of economics without telling me you have no basic understanding of economics.
8) No, you are not very well informed. You disagreeing with me has nothing to do about it. You believe nonsense conspiracy theories. You don't see facts. You make ridiculous statements about mid-term elections as if they mean anything other than that's what voters do. You are the most ill-informed person who posts in this thread. This is not for you. Full stop.
Midterm elections are extremely important. Clinton got clobbered in 1994. In response he moderated and worked with Republicans the economy soared. Obama got clobbered in 2010. In response he doubled down on the partisanship and accomplished nothing for 6 years. Obama's "elections have consequences" attitude directly led to the election of Trump. The democrats loss in 2010 was historically bad. This year will be even worse.
well you can't look at places like NYC with high african-american populations in the school system - that just skews everything.
MS is 37% African-American... NYC is 25% African-American (plus many other minorities obviously). If you're going to contrast MS to another location it has to be somewhere where lots of African-Americans are succeeding. MS isn't just going to copy what worked for New England
I was talking about the school system...we were mushing issues partly my mistake.
c.70% of students in NYC schools are black or hispanic.
have to head out sorry to bail out on good conversation.
