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8 months ago 11/03/2023 9:02am EDT

re: SUBSCRIBE2PEWDIEPIE

SUBSCRIBE2PEWDIEPIE wrote:
Pre-State Meet polls. Thoughts going into the big day tomorrow?
Link:docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MCZI5V...

The boys look pretty good. It's interesting that Mason got all 12 1st place votes last week and this week Jackson took 2 of them. St X has looked better and better every week. It's so competitive this year that if anyone has an off day through the 5th, it will cost them. A team probably will not be able to win how Mason did last year when they lost their top runner. I'll be surprised if the winner is under 100.

The girls D1 looks pretty good. Woodridge girls probably should not be #1 in D2 but the coach is one of the best and always has his teams ready. They could win the boys & girls titles.

Here is a link to both the girls & boys and all divisions:

oatccc.com

Cross Country Coaches Poll

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The Mideast Cross Country Championships presents the best 12 high school men and women senior runners from Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio and other area states.

Link:www.oatccc.com/Cross-Country/Coaches-P...

8 months ago 11/03/2023 9:58am EDT

re: Ohio T&.F.

my lousy attempt at a prediction, this list doesn't seem right to me in some places

1. Ben Gabelman
2. Sam Ricchiuti
3. Landon Kimmel
4. Eli Ilg
5. Ryan Smith
6. Thomas McMahon
7. Evan Trapp
8. Jake Sebaugh
9. Miciah Smith
10. Kasem Kaheal
11. Weston Day
12. Connor Long
13. Mick Temple
14. Brock Ferris
15. Elliot Zuckett
16. Saketh Rudraraju
17. Charles Guerrera
18. Max Liao
19. Alex Bruns
20. Daniel Emmert
21. Andrew Wilcox

1. Mason
2. St. X
3. Mass. Jackson
4. Dublin Coffman

8 months ago 11/03/2023 10:04am EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

I am not familiar with Wilcox, finished 4th in the SW regional with a 15:29. I should probably put him higher.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 10:17am EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

Trapp and Saketh are too low imo, but otherwise I think it looks pretty good.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 12:21pm EDT

re: SUBSCRIBE2PEWDIEPIE

I know that the Tully Ratings aren't foolproof equalizing numbers, but when Milesplit put out the merged regional ratings for the D1 boys, I decided to lump them all together and score it as one huge meet. I had to make some decisions, taking out individuals along the way. I included team placers at the Troy region though Walnut Hills (10th there), at Tiffin through Sylvania Northview (6th), at Pickerington through Thomas Worthington (13th), and at Youngstown through St. Ignacious (12th). The results obviously mean nothing, but it was a fun exercise and something interesting to look at as we head into tomorrow.

It took me forever. I noticed that the Tiffin region seems to be weighted higher. TSF, winner of that region, was thumped by Central Ohio teams anytime they raced (see Olen. Berlin, Tiffin, etc), as was Perrysburg and Wayne. They placed relatively high overall. The Youngstown region teams probably were underrated. I have a hard time thinking of the 2nd place team there being "bad", but Rocky River and several teams below them got their butts handed to them by Kilbourne at the preseason meet, and it wasn't close at all. The Pickerington region was, as expected, incredibly strong. Maybe the Tully Ratings are especially kind to that course? Hard to say. But Jerome and Kilbourne, who finished 8th and 11th in my virtual meet, won't even be in the race tomorrow. Just goes to show how strong that regional was.

It was also interesting to see how teams like Springboro and Lancaster fell in the combined meet significantly relative to other teams in their region. I think these teams big gaps between 1 and 2 were the culprit. Again... interesting.

Here are the results. Qualifying teams are in bold.

1. Mason 210 (12-26-43-59-70)

2. St X 268 (10-14-37-73-134)

3. Toledo SF 288 (27-41-62-75-83)

4. D. Coffman 300 (18-52-56-64-110)

5. O. Orange 321 (6-30-35-97-153)

6. Westerville N 324 (1-25-96-98-104)

7. D. Scioto 355 (5-36-85-99-130)

8. D. Jerome 357 (2-19-107-111-118)

9. Mas Jackson 364 (7-33-93-112-119)

10. Perrsyburg 369 (20-44-61-109-135)

11. W. Kilbourne 392 (3-28-87-117-157)

12. Lancaster 401 (24-68-76-78-155)

13. A. Wayne 411 (8-65-66-129-143)

14. Beavercreek 432 (34-51-55-116-176)

15. Bowling Green 469 (23-45-47-127-227)

16. Olentangy 505 (42-69-95-148-151)

17. Springboro 522 (15-80-84-170-173)

18. Centerville 528 (11-67-122-141-187)

19. Tippecanoe 544 (4-106-123-128-183)

20. Westerville Cent. 568 (31-81-102-149-203)

21. Pickerington N 584 (9-74-115-164-222)

22. Hoover 603 (54-60-123-133-233)

23. Lexington 605 (22-92-113-179-199)

24. Chardon 611 (57-58-105-186-205)

25. Rocky River 639 (100-124-125-131-159)

26. Columbus DeSales 647 (53-82-89-203-220)

27. Hudson 656 (71-86-138-154-207)

28. Steele 657 (29-39-191-192-206)

29. O. Liberty 659 (63-126-140-163-167)

No disprespect to Thomas Worthington, Little Miami, Sylvania Northview, or Medina, but I had to stop there.

Can you imagine a meet of this magnitude? I'm curious to see how the order of the bolded (qualifying) teams matches tomorrow's results.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 12:24pm EDT

re: tullycalcs

tullycalcs wrote:
I know that the Tully Ratings aren't foolproof equalizing numbers, but when Milesplit put out the merged regional ratings for the D1 boys, I decided to lump them all together and score it as one huge meet. I had to make some decisions, taking out individuals along the way. I included team placers at the Troy region though Walnut Hills (10th there), at Tiffin through Sylvania Northview (6th), at Pickerington through Thomas Worthington (13th), and at Youngstown through St. Ignacious (12th). The results obviously mean nothing, but it was a fun exercise and something interesting to look at as we head into tomorrow.
It took me forever. I noticed that the Tiffin region seems to be weighted higher. TSF, winner of that region, was thumped by Central Ohio teams anytime they raced (see Olen. Berlin, Tiffin, etc), as was Perrysburg and Wayne. They placed relatively high overall. The Youngstown region teams probably were underrated. I have a hard time thinking of the 2nd place team there being "bad", but Rocky River and several teams below them got their butts handed to them by Kilbourne at the preseason meet, and it wasn't close at all. The Pickerington region was, as expected, incredibly strong. Maybe the Tully Ratings are especially kind to that course? Hard to say. But Jerome and Kilbourne, who finished 8th and 11th in my virtual meet, won't even be in the race tomorrow. Just goes to show how strong that regional was.
It was also interesting to see how teams like Springboro and Lancaster fell in the combined meet significantly relative to other teams in their region. I think these teams big gaps between 1 and 2 were the culprit. Again... interesting.
Here are the results. Qualifying teams are in bold.
1. Mason 210 (12-26-43-59-70)
2. St X 268 (10-14-37-73-134)
3. Toledo SF 288 (27-41-62-75-83)
4. D. Coffman 300 (18-52-56-64-110)
5. O. Orange 321 (6-30-35-97-153)
6. Westerville N 324 (1-25-96-98-104)
7. D. Scioto 355 (5-36-85-99-130)
8. D. Jerome 357 (2-19-107-111-118)
9. Mas Jackson 364 (7-33-93-112-119)
10. Perrsyburg 369 (20-44-61-109-135)
11. W. Kilbourne 392 (3-28-87-117-157)
12. Lancaster 401 (24-68-76-78-155)
13. A. Wayne 411 (8-65-66-129-143)
14. Beavercreek 432 (34-51-55-116-176)
15. Bowling Green 469 (23-45-47-127-227)
16. Olentangy 505 (42-69-95-148-151)
17. Springboro 522 (15-80-84-170-173)
18. Centerville 528 (11-67-122-141-187)
19. Tippecanoe 544 (4-106-123-128-183)
20. Westerville Cent. 568 (31-81-102-149-203)
21. Pickerington N 584 (9-74-115-164-222)
22. Hoover 603 (54-60-123-133-233)
23. Lexington 605 (22-92-113-179-199)
24. Chardon 611 (57-58-105-186-205)
25. Rocky River 639 (100-124-125-131-159)
26. Columbus DeSales 647 (53-82-89-203-220)
27. Hudson 656 (71-86-138-154-207)
28. Steele 657 (29-39-191-192-206)
29. O. Liberty 659 (63-126-140-163-167)
No disprespect to Thomas Worthington, Little Miami, Sylvania Northview, or Medina, but I had to stop there.
Can you imagine a meet of this magnitude? I'm curious to see how the order of the bolded (qualifying) teams matches tomorrow's results.

I’m surprised to see Tol. St. Francis so high, and Mas. Jackson so low.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 1:27pm EDT

re: whaaaaaapo

The weather looks just about perfect tomorrow. Temps in the upper 40s for the early races and upper 50s for the later races. Low winds & no rain in the forecast.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 2:01pm EDT

re: tullycalcs

tullycalcs wrote:
I know that the Tully Ratings aren't foolproof equalizing numbers, but when Milesplit put out the merged regional ratings for the D1 boys, I decided to lump them all together and score it as one huge meet. I had to make some decisions, taking out individuals along the way. I included team placers at the Troy region though Walnut Hills (10th there), at Tiffin through Sylvania Northview (6th), at Pickerington through Thomas Worthington (13th), and at Youngstown through St. Ignacious (12th). The results obviously mean nothing, but it was a fun exercise and something interesting to look at as we head into tomorrow.
It took me forever. I noticed that the Tiffin region seems to be weighted higher. TSF, winner of that region, was thumped by Central Ohio teams anytime they raced (see Olen. Berlin, Tiffin, etc), as was Perrysburg and Wayne. They placed relatively high overall. The Youngstown region teams probably were underrated. I have a hard time thinking of the 2nd place team there being "bad", but Rocky River and several teams below them got their butts handed to them by Kilbourne at the preseason meet, and it wasn't close at all. The Pickerington region was, as expected, incredibly strong. Maybe the Tully Ratings are especially kind to that course? Hard to say. But Jerome and Kilbourne, who finished 8th and 11th in my virtual meet, won't even be in the race tomorrow. Just goes to show how strong that regional was.
It was also interesting to see how teams like Springboro and Lancaster fell in the combined meet significantly relative to other teams in their region. I think these teams big gaps between 1 and 2 were the culprit. Again... interesting.
Here are the results. Qualifying teams are in bold.
1. Mason 210 (12-26-43-59-70)
2. St X 268 (10-14-37-73-134)
3. Toledo SF 288 (27-41-62-75-83)
4. D. Coffman 300 (18-52-56-64-110)
5. O. Orange 321 (6-30-35-97-153)
6. Westerville N 324 (1-25-96-98-104)
7. D. Scioto 355 (5-36-85-99-130)
8. D. Jerome 357 (2-19-107-111-118)
9. Mas Jackson 364 (7-33-93-112-119)
10. Perrsyburg 369 (20-44-61-109-135)
11. W. Kilbourne 392 (3-28-87-117-157)
12. Lancaster 401 (24-68-76-78-155)
13. A. Wayne 411 (8-65-66-129-143)
14. Beavercreek 432 (34-51-55-116-176)
15. Bowling Green 469 (23-45-47-127-227)
16. Olentangy 505 (42-69-95-148-151)
17. Springboro 522 (15-80-84-170-173)
18. Centerville 528 (11-67-122-141-187)
19. Tippecanoe 544 (4-106-123-128-183)
20. Westerville Cent. 568 (31-81-102-149-203)
21. Pickerington N 584 (9-74-115-164-222)
22. Hoover 603 (54-60-123-133-233)
23. Lexington 605 (22-92-113-179-199)
24. Chardon 611 (57-58-105-186-205)
25. Rocky River 639 (100-124-125-131-159)
26. Columbus DeSales 647 (53-82-89-203-220)
27. Hudson 656 (71-86-138-154-207)
28. Steele 657 (29-39-191-192-206)
29. O. Liberty 659 (63-126-140-163-167)
No disprespect to Thomas Worthington, Little Miami, Sylvania Northview, or Medina, but I had to stop there.
Can you imagine a meet of this magnitude? I'm curious to see how the order of the bolded (qualifying) teams matches tomorrow's results.

In regard to the Tiffin Region. This year was the most competitive race on site in over a decade and times certainly show that (which explains the position of those teams in the virtual meet). Toledo St Francis didn’t have Cope earlier in the year and he ran a SB at region. Perrysburg has gotten a shot in the arm from a JV runner breakthrough over the last few weeks and both teams have improved since mid season.
Interestingly, 1) Toledo St Francis ran the 3rd best 1-5 race in the last 20 years at the Tiffin Region (only the Iggy team from early 2010s and Medina team from late 2000s surpassed them) 2) Anthony Wayne and Bowling Bowling Green can make a case for making it out at another site-say Boardman?

Someone made a post about the gauntlet of trying to advance in post season racing and I am curious, if in particular this year, if the Northwest will show an effect of being in survival mode, come tomorrow.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 2:49pm EDT

re: NWObserver

NWObserver wrote:
tullycalcs wrote:
I know that the Tully Ratings aren't foolproof equalizing numbers, but when Milesplit put out the merged regional ratings for the D1 boys, I decided to lump them all together and score it as one huge meet. I had to make some decisions, taking out individuals along the way. I included team placers at the Troy region though Walnut Hills (10th there), at Tiffin through Sylvania Northview (6th), at Pickerington through Thomas Worthington (13th), and at Youngstown through St. Ignacious (12th). The results obviously mean nothing, but it was a fun exercise and something interesting to look at as we head into tomorrow.
It took me forever. I noticed that the Tiffin region seems to be weighted higher. TSF, winner of that region, was thumped by Central Ohio teams anytime they raced (see Olen. Berlin, Tiffin, etc), as was Perrysburg and Wayne. They placed relatively high overall. The Youngstown region teams probably were underrated. I have a hard time thinking of the 2nd place team there being "bad", but Rocky River and several teams below them got their butts handed to them by Kilbourne at the preseason meet, and it wasn't close at all. The Pickerington region was, as expected, incredibly strong. Maybe the Tully Ratings are especially kind to that course? Hard to say. But Jerome and Kilbourne, who finished 8th and 11th in my virtual meet, won't even be in the race tomorrow. Just goes to show how strong that regional was.
It was also interesting to see how teams like Springboro and Lancaster fell in the combined meet significantly relative to other teams in their region. I think these teams big gaps between 1 and 2 were the culprit. Again... interesting.
Here are the results. Qualifying teams are in bold.
1. Mason 210 (12-26-43-59-70)
2. St X 268 (10-14-37-73-134)
3. Toledo SF 288 (27-41-62-75-83)
4. D. Coffman 300 (18-52-56-64-110)
5. O. Orange 321 (6-30-35-97-153)
6. Westerville N 324 (1-25-96-98-104)
7. D. Scioto 355 (5-36-85-99-130)
8. D. Jerome 357 (2-19-107-111-118)
9. Mas Jackson 364 (7-33-93-112-119)
10. Perrsyburg 369 (20-44-61-109-135)
11. W. Kilbourne 392 (3-28-87-117-157)
12. Lancaster 401 (24-68-76-78-155)
13. A. Wayne 411 (8-65-66-129-143)
14. Beavercreek 432 (34-51-55-116-176)
15. Bowling Green 469 (23-45-47-127-227)
16. Olentangy 505 (42-69-95-148-151)
17. Springboro 522 (15-80-84-170-173)
18. Centerville 528 (11-67-122-141-187)
19. Tippecanoe 544 (4-106-123-128-183)
20. Westerville Cent. 568 (31-81-102-149-203)
21. Pickerington N 584 (9-74-115-164-222)
22. Hoover 603 (54-60-123-133-233)
23. Lexington 605 (22-92-113-179-199)
24. Chardon 611 (57-58-105-186-205)
25. Rocky River 639 (100-124-125-131-159)
26. Columbus DeSales 647 (53-82-89-203-220)
27. Hudson 656 (71-86-138-154-207)
28. Steele 657 (29-39-191-192-206)
29. O. Liberty 659 (63-126-140-163-167)
No disprespect to Thomas Worthington, Little Miami, Sylvania Northview, or Medina, but I had to stop there.
Can you imagine a meet of this magnitude? I'm curious to see how the order of the bolded (qualifying) teams matches tomorrow's results.
In regard to the Tiffin Region. This year was the most competitive race on site in over a decade and times certainly show that (which explains the position of those teams in the virtual meet). Toledo St Francis didn’t have Cope earlier in the year and he ran a SB at region. Perrysburg has gotten a shot in the arm from a JV runner breakthrough over the last few weeks and both teams have improved since mid season.
Interestingly, 1) Toledo St Francis ran the 3rd best 1-5 race in the last 20 years at the Tiffin Region (only the Iggy team from early 2010s and Medina team from late 2000s surpassed them) 2) Anthony Wayne and Bowling Bowling Green can make a case for making it out at another site-say Boardman?
Someone made a post about the gauntlet of trying to advance in post season racing and I am curious, if in particular this year, if the Northwest will show an effect of being in survival mode, come tomorrow.

Thanks for the info about the Tiffin region. As an outsider, it's hard to get a handle on how the race went, how teams are evolving, etc. All I know about these teams is seeing TSF & Perrysburg at the Berlin Bear Dash, and how they raced on that particular day (aside from looking up results on MS).

At Berlin, Coffman put four guys ahead of TSF's Cope (2nd man that day), and Orange put three. Both teams put two ahead of TSF's #1.

Also... Kilbourne's and Orange's #2 guys (Miller and Schroff) were immediately behind Perrysburg's Clark, easily their #1 guy. Both teams had three ahead of Perrysburgs 2nd, and Coffman of course had all four ahead, and they nearly had five (Coffman's 5th was only 9 seconds behind Perrysburg's #2).

So it's good to hear about progress, improvement, changes, etc. Because teams definitely do evolve over the season. It'll certainly be fun to watch and see how it all shakes out tomorrow.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 3:27pm EDT

re: whaaaaaapo

Will Mason have a 5th runner at the state meet?

8 months ago 11/03/2023 3:48pm EDT

re: 5th man?

5th man? wrote:
Will Mason have a 5th runner at the state meet?

I know they're not perfect, but according to the Tully ratings from last week's regionals Mason actually has the best 5th man in the state.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 6:25pm EDT

re: 5th man?

5th man? wrote:
Will Mason have a 5th runner at the state meet?

You'd better believe they will.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 7:02pm EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

Coffman next to Mason on the starting line right in the middle (boxes 14 and 15)

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Link:ohsaaweb.blob.core.windows.net/files/S...

8 months ago 11/03/2023 7:04pm EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

I am very curious to see how Toledo St. Francis does. I think they'll finish in the top ten.

8 months ago 11/03/2023 7:17pm EDT

re: 5th man?

5th man? wrote:
Will Mason have a 5th runner at the state meet?

I can’t imagine they would only run 4, but you never know.

8 months ago 11/04/2023 8:25am EDT

re: whaaaaaapo

8 months ago 11/04/2023 8:41am EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

It’s meet day! Who’s going?

8 months ago 11/04/2023 8:43am EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

Peter Gibbons wrote:
5th man? wrote:
Will Mason have a 5th runner at the state meet?
You'd better believe they will.

Not as good as the past two years, but better than anyone else’s. Should be good enough for a 3peat.

8 months ago 11/04/2023 8:47am EDT

re: Kerpaw

Kerpaw wrote:
Link:http://live.finishtiming.com/meets/520...

Thanks for that link. Just about another hour before a day of racing gets underway.

Hopefully that bottleneck at the start doesn't cause any mishaps.

Last year Isaac of Mason, Smith of WK, and Ilg of Mass. Jackson DNFed the D1 boys race--I think they may have been the only DNFs in the race, and all three of those are very prominent names.

8 months ago 11/04/2023 8:49am EDT

re: Peter Gibbons

And even with Isaac’s DNF and Neuberger’s decline from 2021, Mason still pulled off the 2-peat

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