Official 2019 Brussels DL Discussion Thread - Bye, bye to the 5k, Ajee goes for the 800 title, and much more

Coevett wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

and he nearly always does. A bad habit if you want your PB to match your potential.

Jakob probably wants to establish his dominance over the rest at this stage.

Doha will be a different story as we know Tim has a history of failing to perform on the biggest stage without a pacemaker and after rounds.

It's scary to think how much better Jakob will be to the rest by Tokyo. This is Tim's last ever chance to win a global gold.

History of failing to perform = silver at Worlds

You're such a dumb POS.

REAL. wrote:

1) We can start to appreciate El Guerrouj.

He was the indoor WR holder and followed that up by winning and dominating outdoors. Check Tefera for quite the opposite ability of domination and shows what makes El G the GOAT.

2) Jakob I. needs to build some confidence. He needs to hurt earlier in the race. He is too afraid of going too hard, too early. Will be the most interesting athlete to watch in Doha to see what he is able to build in training until race day. The heats will not hurt him with his aerobic base.

3. Kipruto? Hmm...

The top runners of that era, El Guerrouj and Komen were known for their fearless running, they just went all-out from the start and then somehow hang on to the finish line. Mental aspect is huge in racing. These African's were running for the survival of their families, especially Komen's was incredibly poor. There was a lot on the line in each race.

Ingebrigtsen? He got a perfect life. Wealthy family (Norway is the richest or one of the richest countries in Europe), girlfriend, success since very young age, etc. He doesn't need the prize money, and doesn't have the same drive that El G and Komen had back in the days.

The upside? He is not gonna burn out anytime soon. Komen's running was just not sustainable, racing all-out twice a week for several months in a row at the highest level burned him out so hard that his entire career was over after just two years. There is no coming that from that, he was dead both mentally and physically.

This Scorpion Troll in top of being a doping apologist has to be the most clueless person here.

loon wrote:

History of failing to perform = silver at Worlds

You're such a dumb POS.

So if Tim wins silver again this year I will be an even dumber POS?

After his Moscow 800m silver medal, I think it was fair to say Coe had a history of failing to perform. Of course, he put it right after that, and maybe Tim will do the same.

BTW, Tim had 3 of the top 5 times going into London in 2017. He was 3 seconds faster than anyone else in the field except Manangoi and the Moroccan Bahranian (who obviously didn't take his 'fish and chips' due to better testing in London). Yet not only lost again, he had to hold off Filip and Mechal for the silver.

Last year he had 6 of top 11 times and still couldn't get gold in the African Championships or the Commonwealth Games.

You're such a dumb POS Tyrone.

In the last 3 years, Tim has 7 of the top 11 1500m times. That's a level of domination not seen since El G. Yet in that time he's failed to win 3 of the 3 major championships he's competed in.

You are not the first to judge Jakob as if he was a fully grown man when he in reality is just a big boy hardly finished growing yet.

I think that he is doing pretty well considering almost all his competitors are in their prime. I don´t agree that Jakob is lazy but I think he acknowledges that Timothy´s strength and speed is superior for the moment so Jakob has go out slower relying more on his endurance. (I, however, hope that Jakob will try to stay closer to Timothy if the they meet in the 1500 final in Doha).

El Guerrouj ran 3:33.61 at age 19 and Timothy 3:34.86 at the same age.

I think that Jakob next year at 19 - barring injury/ illness - can go below 3:28.

Do you agree that he is at a completely different level?

he will be 19 at Doha (September 19 2000)

Coevett wrote:

Last year he had 6 of top 11 times...

another lie - stop lying

Coevett wrote:

...and still couldn't get gold in the African Championships or the Commonwealth Games.

...when he lost against a 3:28 runner.

"Somehow"? What do you think allows the "somehow" to your equation?

Hassan just closed her last 3 laps in 3,08. That's absolutely other worldly.

Hassan is currently on a different level than Obiri ever was. Maybe Almaz Ayana, Tirunesh Dibaba and Genzebe Dibaba at best were on the same level - but also not at finishing qualities.

Some field event moron wrote:

Who was the idiot who walked out on the track???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qdlM0VwYY&t=245s

It was mentioned in our broadcast when it occured that it was the jamaican discus thrower.

Haven't bothered to check if that's correct

Coevett wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

and he nearly always does. A bad habit if you want your PB to match your potential.

Jakob probably wants to establish his dominance over the rest at this stage.

Doha will be a different story as we know Tim has a history of failing to perform on the biggest stage without a pacemaker and after rounds.

It's scary to think how much better Jakob will be to the rest by Tokyo. This is Tim's last ever chance to win a global gold.

J.I. is too large physically to dominate 5000m. One cannot ignore kilograms forever in VO2 formula, especially for 5000m athletes. J.I. is too slow as an 800m runner to dominate 1500m. Do all the mileage one wants. Running more than 80 miles per week road mileage will not lower one's 800m personal best. Facts: J.I. is over 155 lbs. and he is not a F.A.T. sub-48 man. I do not see that much room for improvement.

His VO2MAX measurement was in the group of highest recorded ever for Norway, which includes almost exclusively XC skiers. And that's without being super light/skinny! Imagine what Salazar could make out of him once he puts him on his usual weight reduction PEDs.

J Ingebrigtsen ran 13:02 as 18-year old - there has NEVER been a 18- or 19-year old that has run a faster time, EVER.

Look at some of the best Western 5000m runners in history - Solinsky, Jager, Mottram, all were taller AND heavier than Ingebrigtsen.

His 400m PR is 51.03, the fact that he can run a 1:49 800m with that is already showing how weak his speed is compared to his endurance. I agree, he will never run a good 800m time, but in the 1500m and 5000m he has HUGE potential, by just becoming the fastest runner in the field. Cheriyots speed will be useless when Ingebrigtsen runs 3:27 or 3:28 on a constant basis and in the 5k he is nowhere near maxed out.

El Guerrouj was not a speedstar either in the 1500m, Ngeny had much more speed but El Guerrouj only lost once to him. Once J Ingebrigtsen gets mentally stronger like El Guerrouj was ("fearless running") and does harder workouts (El Guerrouj's workouts were legendary) I don't see why he shouldn't be able to get his time in the 3:27 range.

J.I.'s best event IMO will be 3000m. If 3000m becomes an Olympic &/or W.C. event, that event is J.I.'s best opportunity for potential gold. I believe J.I. has sub-7:30 3000m potential.

There are no 155lbs. sub-12:50 5000m men.

J.I. is too large and too slow with his

51.xx/1:49.xx

400/800 performances to be a gold medal 1500m man.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

J Ingebrigtsen ran 13:02 as 18-year old - there has NEVER been a 18- or 19-year old that has run a faster time, EVER.

Barega? Kipchoge?

Vbfxv wrote:

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

J Ingebrigtsen ran 13:02 as 18-year old - there has NEVER been a 18- or 19-year old that has run a faster time, EVER.

Barega? Kipchoge?

You really think that Barega was 18 when he ran 12:43 (17 at 12:55) or that Kipchoge is 34? Zane Robertson provided massive proof that Kipchoge is 40, and also that Geb was older than he was listed. I don't believe any of the birth dates of African runners anymore, just look at the Junior XC world championship where J Ingebrigtsen ran, all these African runners looked MUCH older than him. No wonder he got destroyed there.

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Vbfxv wrote:

Barega? Kipchoge?

You really think that Barega was 18 when he ran 12:43 (17 at 12:55) or that Kipchoge is 34? Zane Robertson provided massive proof that Kipchoge is 40, and also that Geb was older than he was listed. I don't believe any of the birth dates of African runners anymore, just look at the Junior XC world championship where J Ingebrigtsen ran, all these African runners looked MUCH older than him. No wonder he got destroyed there.

I don't know and you don't know.

And what massive proof was that? Why should I believe Zane knows more about Eliud's life than Eliud himself?

LateRunnerPhil wrote:

Vbfxv wrote:

Barega? Kipchoge?

You really think that Barega was 18 when he ran 12:43 (17 at 12:55) or that Kipchoge is 34? Zane Robertson provided massive proof that Kipchoge is 40, and also that Geb was older than he was listed. I don't believe any of the birth dates of African runners anymore, just look at the Junior XC world championship where J Ingebrigtsen ran, all these African runners looked MUCH older than him. No wonder he got destroyed there.

As you are cheer leading the Norway Boys, you are starting to make up stuff. Zane Robertson does not have proof of sh!t. Eliud Kipchoge and other Africans may look older to you due to intense solar radiation between 15 north latitude and 15 south latitude. If you spent most of your life near the equator, you would look older too.