Here are the cartoons that got 12 innocent people at Charlie Hebdo slaughtered

As Has wrote:

agip wrote:

eh? no. You use police work to arrest the perps and stop further outrages. How is that rewarding bad behavior?

You enforce the law, rather than encouraging everyone in the populace to be dickish.

hitler would have said what you said - something about not letting the jews have their way with germany - "stand up and fight, Germans!" really. He said crap like that. You aren't hitler, but you are using nazi thought patterns, .

agip - in a quiet moment please reflect upon the fact that those who invoke the Nazi comparison do it nearly 100% of the time because their 'cause' is a false one and they are left with nothing but to shout "NAZI!"

You are better than this.

I'm familiar with Godwin's law, yes

but this time the analogy is correct - those who support widespread retaliatory publishing of the cartoons after muslims committed this terrorist attack are doing just what hitler's goons did after a jew committed a terrorist attack.

it's not a perfect analogy because pubilshing cartoons is more moral than smashing synagogues, but the motive is similar - mass punishment for the act of 1 or 2 people.

Former muslim, thank you very much for your thoughtful post.

Posts like yours are the reason I look forward to reading the board everyday.

Be well.

agip wrote:

but this time the analogy is correct - those who support widespread retaliatory publishing of the cartoons after muslims committed this terrorist attack are doing just what hitler's goons did after a jew committed a terrorist attack.

Hitler's army used guns and airplanes. Should we not equip our army with guns and airplanes because, " That's what Hitler would have done?"

I went back to page 6 and cleaned up the thread removing posts just discussing TRex and not his ideas.

TRex you can email me but you are close to getting banned.

Anyone posting a variation of TRex's names or calling him out in this thread will get banned as well.

Europe is a prime example of what happens when liberalism takes root like a cancer.

And like a cancer it kills its host.

Scary Black Man wrote:

Europe is a prime example of what happens when liberalism takes root like a cancer.

And like a cancer it kills its host.

Can you list the ways in which life for the average American is better than life for the average Northern or Western European?

I can't recall, who invaded the Indian subcontinent and made it part of the empire?

Who is more assimilated? Mo Farah, Rizwan Khan or Tim Ablitt, former chair of the EDL who was arrested over a suspected bomb plot?

Of course, Mo Farah and his family are absolutely fronts for militant Islam in Britain.

How would you describe an Irish Catholic from about 1970? Over 1800 civilians were killed by IRA forces during The Troubles or did you forget?

Remember Richard the Lionheart? Noble Christian soul, he initiated the Massacre at Ayyadieh, where he, "insisted that the ransom payment and prisoner exchange should occur within one month. When the deadline was not met the King became infuriated and decided on a savage punishment of Saladin for his perceived intransigence. Richard personally oversaw and planned the massacre which took place on a small hill called Ayyadieh, a few miles from Acre. The killings were carried out in full view of the Muslim army and Saladin's own field headquarters. Over 3,000 men, women and children, were beaten to death, axed or killed with swords and lances."

Tell me what in Europe could have been accomplished without writing (from the Mesopotamians), agriculture (from the Mesopotamians), gunpowder (from the Chinese), algebra (from the Arabs)? You would still have all those animal skins and clubs, I guess.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Scary Black Man wrote:

Europe is a prime example of what happens when liberalism takes root like a cancer.

And like a cancer it kills its host.

Can you list the ways in which life for the average American is better than life for the average Northern or Western European?

RKBA. Americans would have killed these terrorist scum bags where they stood, as we are armed...and our first responders would have also been armed and able to act, unlike in Paris where the first responders RAN AWAY!

Liberalism killed the people in Paris as much as the terrorist scum wielding AK47's with complete impunity.

Europe is a flock of sheep and the wolves have come to eat!

letsrun founders;

if you thought these cartoons were worthy of a splash page before this incident, then by all means create the page.

but, if you are doing it in sympathy for the incident, then that could be achieved in other ways.

wejo wrote:

I went back to page 6 and cleaned up the thread removing posts just discussing TRex and not his ideas.

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Wejo, thank you.

There are plenty of other threads suited for that stuff. This thread isn't one of them and you did a great service for this meaningful debate.

Scary Black Man wrote:

Jeff Wigand [\quote]

Can you list the ways in which life for the average American is better than life for the average Northern or Western European?

RKBA. Americans would have killed these terrorist scum bags where they stood, as we are armed...and our first responders would have also been armed and able to act, unlike in Paris where the first responders RAN AWAY!

Liberalism killed the people in Paris as much as the terrorist scum wielding AK47's with complete impunity.

Europe is a flock of sheep and the wolves have come to eat!

How many Americans have been killed by guns in the last year? Compared to how many french pelple? I guess these are all victims of conservatism?

Also, France has always bee very aggresively secular, it doesnt do multoculturalism. This is the place that bannes all religious symbols in school.

Also US miltary action is just as responsible as "liberalism". Seeing that it has been a direct and explicit cause for radicalising muslims.

I spent 2/12 years in the M.E. I can tell you there are Muslims in the numbers that exceed this country's population that are against this violent attack. We spoke to them many times, in the dark, in the middle of nowhere. They are hurt deeply by the onslaught that these attacks bring to their beliefs. .Believe this or not, I don't give a shiaaatt..., most times these Muslims, saved Marines lives. Once two young boys,12 and 10 ran about 9 miles to warn us of an advance on our position and how they planned to flank us. I write now, because of the two boys. I say NO, Hebdo should have considered others around him, he had a threat that could bring slaughter to many around him. His business was going down, he knew it so lets stir the poo! I feel like a coward when I think of the horror, the explosive bursts of those AK;s, the brain matter and blood covering everything..THE FEAR, the odors,and here we are hiding behind our computers going to post the same cartoon that destroyed so many..and their families. Lets send our posting to the children of the slain. I say NO, this is a running site. IMHO.

outstanding column from David Brooks today - excerpt:

The journalists at Charlie Hebdo are now rightly being celebrated as martyrs on behalf of freedom of expression, but let’s face it: If they had tried to publish their satirical newspaper on any American university campus over the last two decades it wouldn’t have lasted 30 seconds. Student and faculty groups would have accused them of hate speech. The administration would have cut financing and shut them down.

Public reaction to the attack in Paris has revealed that there are a lot of people who are quick to lionize those who offend the views of Islamist terrorists in France but who are a lot less tolerant toward those who offend their own views at home.

Just look at all the people who have overreacted to campus micro-aggressions. The University of Illinois fired a professor who taught the Roman Catholic view on homosexuality. The University of Kansas suspended a professor for writing a harsh tweet against the N.R.A. Vanderbilt University derecognized a Christian group that insisted that it be led by Christians.

Americans may laud Charlie Hebdo for being brave enough to publish cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Muhammad, but, if Ayaan Hirsi Ali is invited to campus, there are often calls to deny her a podium.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/opinion/david-brooks-i-am-not-charlie-hebdo.html?_r=0

campus leftists need to STFU, right now.

le veritable wrote:

Scary Black Man wrote:

RKBA. Americans would have killed these terrorist scum bags where they stood, as we are armed...and our first responders would have also been armed and able to act, unlike in Paris where the first responders RAN AWAY!

Liberalism killed the people in Paris as much as the terrorist scum wielding AK47's with complete impunity.

Europe is a flock of sheep and the wolves have come to eat!

How many Americans have been killed by guns in the last year? Compared to how many french pelple? I guess these are all victims of conservatism?

Also, France has always bee very aggresively secular, it doesnt do multoculturalism. This is the place that bannes all religious symbols in school.

Also US miltary action is just as responsible as "liberalism". Seeing that it has been a direct and explicit cause for radicalising muslims.

Typical that a liberal would blame the murder of these people on the device used.

France, like much of Europe doesn't allow a free people or its FIRST RESPONDERS the right to actually defend against or thwart evil.

Military Action is the direct results of the politicians that have been elected into office doing OUR bidding. You have obviously never served in the military or been in a war zone (Iraq or Afganistan). As you are extremely clueless as to the many different roles to include humanitarian work that our military conducts.

You are a typical liberal terrorist apologist. Americans will always reject you as your idealogy is self defeating, it does not recognize the presence of evil and as such is in itself evil.

Scary Black Man wrote:

KBA. Americans would have killed these terrorist scum bags where they stood, as we are armed...and our first responders would have also been armed and able to act, unlike in Paris where the first responders RAN AWAY!

Is that why Nidal Malik Hasan was able to kill 13 people on an Army base? Because no one was armed?

Leaving out suicides and accidents, in a given year, just 2.8% of gun homicides in the US are a result of private citizens justifiably defending themselves. So what makes you so sure that something so rare would have happened had the terrain been different?

You are very mistaken. With the exception of tightly controlled ranges, the only armed people on US military bases are the MPs. Weapons and ammunition are separated for vast majority of the time. While I may have access to my weapon (under tightly control circumstances), I rarely have ammunition, except on a range. Point being... US military bases are effectively gun free zones. That is why they are great targets for these kinds of events. But I do apologize. I don't want facts get in the way of your beliefs.

THAT, I can agree with.

USMC wrote:

With the exception of tightly controlled ranges, the only armed people on US military bases are the MPs.

I understand that. And Sergeant Munley arrived quickly, was shot in the leg and disabled, before Hasan himself was disabled by Sergeant Mark Todd.

USMC wrote:

don't want facts get in the way of your beliefs.

You mean facts like it's incredibly rare for homicide to be done by a civilian defending himself with a firearm or facts like personal firearms are far more likely to be used on a member of the owner's household than on an intruder or assailant?

agip, you argue for free speech then tell 'campus leftists' to STFU? A little ironic, no?

Hebdo's cartoons are irreverent AND offensive. That was kind of the point. But Hebdo was offensive on their own dime, not using a publicly subsidized University platform. Of course, they would likely get shut down on a University campus. But they weren't.

Brooks makes a good point, but you take it too far.