Noahs Ark Found!...Well, what if it is? Does this validate Bible 'Stories'

Rational Faith wrote:

It takes a lot of "belief" in evolution. Take for example the population of the earth today. If humans have populated the earth for hundreds of thousands of years, there wouldn't be enough room on this planet to fit them all. Here is the math and explanation.

Example #1:

Fact: gestation period for a human is roughly 9 months

Fact: a human can easily have a baby every year during child bearing years

Fact: child bearing years last AT LEAST 20 years

So, year zero being the exiting of the Ark.

This is of course conservative, and doesn't take into account variables that can't be taken into account as this is a fact based look.

Noah and 3 sons and 4 wives have a child every year for 20 years. At year 20 then, there are a total of 80 children.

Since this is conservative, I'm waiting 20 years before reproducing any children from the children, ie the next set of child bearing children will be between the ages of 20 and 40.

So at year 40, those 80 children begin reproducing for 20 consecutive years. After 20 years of reproduction, those 80 children will turn into 800 children. This is year 60, and there are 800 children on top of the 80 and 4.

So at year 80, those 800 children who are now between the ages of 20 and 40 begin reproducing. This results in a population of 8,000 at year 100.

Sticking with the 20 year wait period. At year 120 those 8,000 begin reproducing resulting in 80,000 children of the ages of 20 - 40 at year 160.

So at year 200, there are 800,000 children who begin reproducing.

Resulting in 8 million children between the ages of 20 and 40 at year 240.

So at year 280 there are 80 million children between the ages of 20 and 40 able to reproduce, and at year 320 there are 800,000,000 who begin reproducing...

Leaving us at a tidy and fully factually possible sum, based on human genetics and child birth, at 8 BILLION PEOPLE ON THE PLANET 360 YEARS AFTER NOAH LEFT THE ARK.

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Example #2:

Today’s world population hovers near 6.5 billion people, growing at an annual rate of 2.3%. A statistic somewhat mind-boggling observation is, that more people are alive today than have ever lived before. Just in the last one hundred years, the world population has increased more than six-fold.

We can use these numbers and attempt to work backwards to calculate how long it would take to grow this world population at different growth rates starting with “Adam and Eve”. The result of this exercise has resulted in table 7-2. Assuming a generation to be 25 years, the table also shows the average number of children per family that corresponds with the growth rate:

Growth Rate Aver num of children Age of Mankind

2% 3.3 1,150 years

1% 2.5 2,275 years

0.5% 2.25 4,550 years

0.25% 2.12 9,100 years

This demonstrates that even with a very low growth rate of the population, such as .5% (quite low compared to the current 2.3%) and the average number of children per family 2.25, only 4,550 years would be required to grow a population of 6.5 billion from just one original couple. Even with the growth rate at only .25%, only 9,100 years would be required to achieve the same.

One might claim that the lack of medical knowledge dramatically lowered the average life expectancy of our “ancient” ancestors, forcing the growth rate to be much lower. However mankind has a strong drive to populate and continue to preserve and grow the species. As observed often today, areas with the lowest degree of development and by far the lowest life expectancy, see their population growing the fastest. Women can bear children in their teenage years, so even a life expectancy of only 25 or 30 years of age, still gives more than enough time to get large families.

The same applies for the aftermath of epidemics (for instance, the plague in Europe in 1347) and the effect of major wars or other catastrophes. Historical records show usually a population boom right afer the catastrophic event. This boom compensates within a few generations for the more than average loss of life. For instance, the devastating plagues of 1347 killed an estimated 50-75% of the population in many European countries, but in less than 200 years, the dip in population had been completely recovered. That’s why the generation born right after WWII is called – the Baby Boomers.

The Population Boom After the European Plagues

A similar line of thinking challenges that even the low range of the biochemical estimate of 37,000 years of human habitation might still be too high. If the “first family” was alive that long ago, even at a low growth rate of .5% we now should have a world population of 1.4 x 1080 (that would be calculated as (1 + 0.005 (the .5% growth rate)) ^ 37,000 (years)).

Lastly, please notice that the global flood described by the Bible happened about 4,500-5,000 years ago. This event would be quite consistent with the above calculations of growth rate and size of today’s world population.

This exercise shows that mankind didn't need to take 100,000 years to reach 6.5 Billion people.

trotty moore wrote:

The Silent Super Majority wrote:

Haha you people that are SO sure that we all evolved from material less than pond scum are quiet humorous. I understand that religion takes a huge leap of faith, but if you understood the human body and how utterly complex it is, it would take another huge leap of faith to believe we came from a few atoms of organic material. There are so many things that could go wrong with your theories but you still believe them, not because you know, but largely because you are ignorant. Any one that is 100% certain we come from a couple specs of carbon is completely ignorant.

But it is believable to think a man in the sky could create the complexities of the human body and the natural world around us out of nothing? Now THAT is humorous.

Why is it so hard to think that God created the world so we would evolve? I think for him that would be more fun. If you take the story of Adam and Eve and think they were the first humans, wow.

Logical Faith wrote:

NObama Owns You wrote:

3 words: Show me proof.

How old is the earth?

If we go back 500 years, we come to the time of Martin Luther (born in 1483), and Columbus, who “sailed the ocean blue in 1492.”

If we go back 1000 years, we come to the time of Leif Ericson, Christian explorer, who preached Christ to pagans. (World Book, 1983, vol.6, page 270.)

If we go back 2000 years, we come to the birth of Jesus Christ. Our calendar is dated from His birth.

If we go back 3000 years, we come to the time of David and Solomon; they ruled Israel about 1000 BC.

If we go back 4000 years, we come to the time of Abraham (2000 BC), ancestor of Arabs and Jews.

If we go back 5000 years, we come to the time of Enoch, who “walked with God 300 years … and God took him [into Heaven].”

If we go back 6000 years, we come to the time of Creation, and Adam and Eve (4004 BC). Luke, evangelist and historian, records Adam as the first man (Luke 3:38).

The earth is about 6000 years old. Let God's people rejoice in Him who made them! (Psalm 149:2)

If not, then when?

Although many people don't accept the Bible's timeline of history, they have difficulty deciding exactly when to start disagreeing with it.

* Was Jesus Christ real? The Bible says he was, and no serious historian doubts it.

* Was King David real? The Bible says he was. Again, there is no reason to doubt it.

* Was Abraham real? The Bible says he was. There seems no reason to doubt this either.

* Was Enoch real? The Bible says he was. There is no reason to think the Bible has suddenly lapsed into fiction when the other people were genuine historical figures.

* Was Adam real? Well, Enoch was a son of Cain, who was a son of Adam. So if Enoch was real there is no reason to think that his father Cain wasn't, or that his grandfather Adam wasn't. They were only two generations away.

And Adam was the first man, created in the first week of the earth's existence.

According to the Bible, he lived about 6000 years ago. So according to the Bible, the world also is about 6000 years old.