US had a man walk on the moon in 1969, but now we can't even land a tiny box on the moon 55 years later?

jdroche135 wrote:

Legit question wrote:

The two Neils: Neil Degrasse Tyson and Neil Armstrong.

NDT says that you ought to see stars with the naked eye from the surface of the moon. That contradicts the testimonies. Always a pleasure trapping science believers on this one, they have to pick a side between Armstrong and NDT, it's great.

I think NDT is right, Armstrong made it up on the spot when asked by a journalist at the Apollo 11 post flight conference (which is available on youtube), and they all stuck with this scientifically inaccurate lie going forward.

Neil Armstrong's reasoning for why the moon landing wasn't fake:

"It was never a concern to me because I know that one day, somebody's going to go fly back up there and pick up the camera that I left."
Then after he passed away, his wife finds a camera from Apollo 11 that he kept from the mission, hidden away in his home for more than 40 years.

Was this the same camera he was referring to? Was he letting us in on a little secret in that interview, but waiting until after his death for the grand reveal?

Link:www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nor...

We never landed on the moon. It was a hoax.

You're using THIS as proof??? 😂😂😂

Harambe wrote:

Legit question wrote:

Why can't you ever admit that goverments have a long history of telling lies. Can't you admit that without name calling which many others on this thread have resorted to.

The issue is valid for debate. You can agree or disagree. I think that back in those times our goverment was so obsessed with the USSR they were capable of almost anything. And many people are so naive that they'll believe anything if you give them a explanation.

I don't belive Oswald killed Kennedy and I do believe our gorverment covered it up at the very least. And it's a certainty that the moon thing was staged.

It would be easier to stage it than to actually land on it. Maybe the fact that we haven' been back there is very telling. Is our government afraid to prove that we don't have the ability even now to pull it off?

I also find it very interesting that the Wernher Von Braun who led the development of the Saturn V rocket had Psalms 19:1 posted on his gravestone:

Image:live.staticflickr.com/2813/33365886585...

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork."

Nothing gets past the firmament and he knew it. Interesting breadcrumb for the rest of us....

Sure it's open for debate. In the course of this debate, skeptics are repeatedly mystified by basic questions in physics. I'm not name calling anyone – I'm pointing out that the things all you skeptics seem to get hung up on are just not that complicated. It doesn't build a lot of trust in your position that you guys can't grasp basic principles here.

Do you think satellites are fake too? How much of space is a big hoax?

NewOnce81 wrote:

Long time since I posted—too much negativity for me, especially after my password was compromised and I had to change my username. As such, this post will probably fall on deaf ears. First, yes we went to the moon. The idea that we didn’t was what I believed was a sophomoric joke. My father worked with NASA and I was in the USAF for 29 years. I lived and saw quite a bit of this. Unfortunately, people today may believe they are smarter than they are, which is demonstrably false. For people wondering/asking how they did it in the 1960’s—it was focus and no how. Please look at the Disney film from early 1955 about going into space, to the moon and then Mars 9that Eisenhower and the Soviets requested copies of). There were many who believed we could have done this even sooner if we focused the attention and money. Thank you JFK.
I hate to say it, but the shift away from merit and meritocracy may be a culprit, but I sincerely believe we can all do this and more if we would work together to achieve something great.

Harambe wrote:

NewOnce81 wrote:

Long time since I posted—too much negativity for me, especially after my password was compromised and I had to change my username. As such, this post will probably fall on deaf ears. First, yes we went to the moon. The idea that we didn’t was what I believed was a sophomoric joke. My father worked with NASA and I was in the USAF for 29 years. I lived and saw quite a bit of this. Unfortunately, people today may believe they are smarter than they are, which is demonstrably false. For people wondering/asking how they did it in the 1960’s—it was focus and no how. Please look at the Disney film from early 1955 about going into space, to the moon and then Mars 9that Eisenhower and the Soviets requested copies of). There were many who believed we could have done this even sooner if we focused the attention and money. Thank you JFK.
I hate to say it, but the shift away from merit and meritocracy may be a culprit, but I sincerely believe we can all do this and more if we would work together to achieve something great.

Amen. Thank you for your service

Harambe wrote:

MelRnr wrote:

But it would be far harder to keep a fake moon landing secret for over 50 years. Don't people think the Russians would have figured it out? Wouldn't NASA, Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon have weighed the risk of an exposed fake moon landing as being worse than the risk of a failed moon landing?

So many people involved, and their successors would have to cover it up after them too. People on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter project would have to agree to continue the "lie" and make fake pictures of the Apollo landing sites decades later. Other countries would be in on it too. All these years and all these people then and now keeping a secret? No way!

Besides there is tons of evidence that varifies the Apollo landings happened. Moon rocks, moon dust on space suits, photos, eyewitnesses, laser reflectors on the moon placed by the astronauts, pictures of the landing sites decades later from the LRO and other countries moon probes. So many engineers, geologists, astronomers, etc., etc. all lying about it then and now? No way!

Yup, vast conspiracies don't really survive more than a decade or so before someone blabs.