Both of these things are already true (well, almost anyway)
The maintenance thing you shared is bordering on propaganda and preying on the ignorant. This is manufacturer suggested service for a new car. Do actual service for a car 5 or 10 years old — you gotta start doing bearings and axles and anything else that moves. Timing belts? As if every new ICE has a timing belt, lol. I can't give you an actual number, but A LOT of new ICEs have a non-serviceable timing chain. Spark plugs? Most people with $50 in tools can do their spark plugs in their driveway in an hour, and the plugs themselves might only cost $50, and good plugs can easily last 50,000 miles. So, what, $150 in 100,000 miles of driving?
Are you telling me you expect to spend $150 on maintenance per 100kmi with your ICE car? Do you live in 1950?
The maintenance thing you shared is bordering on propaganda and preying on the ignorant. This is manufacturer suggested service for a new car. Do actual service for a car 5 or 10 years old — you gotta start doing bearings and axles and anything else that moves. Timing belts? As if every new ICE has a timing belt, lol. I can't give you an actual number, but A LOT of new ICEs have a non-serviceable timing chain. Spark plugs? Most people with $50 in tools can do their spark plugs in their driveway in an hour, and the plugs themselves might only cost $50, and good plugs can easily last 50,000 miles. So, what, $150 in 100,000 miles of driving?
Are you telling me you expect to spend $150 on maintenance per 100kmi with your ICE car? Do you live in 1950?
No, I'm not saying that. I'm pointing out obvious flaws with that article that are misrepresenting the facts.
Flaws:
- Many cars don't have a timing belt
- There's no mention of EV batteries, which is a real concern with used EVs
- You can do simple things to reduce your maintenance costs like air filters and plugs. A child could do these.
- All used cars have to consider the cost of anything that moves such as axles and bearings. Often these aren't in manufacturer suggested maintenance, it's just kinda, "Replace when it starts to break."
EVs are generally cheaper, but the gap is closer than they tell you, especially when the vehicles get older or you're buying used.
Are you telling me you expect to spend $150 on maintenance per 100kmi with your ICE car? Do you live in 1950?
No, I'm not saying that. I'm pointing out obvious flaws with that article that are misrepresenting the facts.
Flaws:
- Many cars don't have a timing belt
- There's no mention of EV batteries, which is a real concern with used EVs
- You can do simple things to reduce your maintenance costs like air filters and plugs. A child could do these.
- All used cars have to consider the cost of anything that moves such as axles and bearings. Often these aren't in manufacturer suggested maintenance, it's just kinda, "Replace when it starts to break."
EVs are generally cheaper, but the gap is closer than they tell you, especially when the vehicles get older or you're buying used.
The vast majority of people do zero car maintenance themselves. It’s simply a ludicrous take to imply otherwise.
Extracting (from a volcano) on US soil will be prohibitively expensive for the foreseeable future. A few thousand African children working for small pay in unregulated sites is way cheaper. Major geopolitical uncertainty is probably the only thing that can lead to lithium extraction in Nevada.
As for the original question: My ICE car works just fine and there's no need to change it yet.
The lithium mineral deposited in bumfck nowhere Nevada is much cheaper to isolate that draining salt flats in Bolivia.
No, I'm not saying that. I'm pointing out obvious flaws with that article that are misrepresenting the facts.
Flaws:
- Many cars don't have a timing belt
- There's no mention of EV batteries, which is a real concern with used EVs
- You can do simple things to reduce your maintenance costs like air filters and plugs. A child could do these.
- All used cars have to consider the cost of anything that moves such as axles and bearings. Often these aren't in manufacturer suggested maintenance, it's just kinda, "Replace when it starts to break."
EVs are generally cheaper, but the gap is closer than they tell you, especially when the vehicles get older or you're buying used.
The vast majority of people do zero car maintenance themselves. It’s simply a ludicrous take to imply otherwise.
I didn't imply that at all. I just pointed out there's easy money to save if you're willing to try. At no point did I make a claim that most people perform their own work. I did claim that most people are capable of performing some of their own maintenance. An air filter can cost you ~$100 to get changed at a dealer. You can do it for $15 in 5 minutes, often without a single tool.
Meanwhile, this article implies that all cars have a timing belt. Do you not have an issue with that? It's objectively untrue. I will never have to do a timing belt service on one of my cars because it doesn't have one. It's simply ludicrous to imply that, and is genuinely misleading and I suspect that's by design.
I own two EVs, a Fiat 500e for around town and a Hyundai Ioniq 5 for longer trips. No issue with charging infrastructure in my area. Range isn’t an issue for me either.
I saw an F150 Lightning for the first time this weekend.
It looked similar enough to a normal F150 that I think it'll catch on fast with the Ford-lovers.
It's going to be a legendary fleet vehicle. Zero gas costs, charge on-site overnight at basement-tier rates, zero maintenance, daily work trips never exceed 350 miles.
I own two EVs, a Fiat 500e for around town and a Hyundai Ioniq 5 for longer trips. No issue with charging infrastructure in my area. Range isn’t an issue for me either.
We have an Ioniq 5 too and absolutely love it. The charging infrastructure around where we live (NY) is good, so road trips are easy. I've got solar panels on the roof and a level 2 charging station in the garage and despite usually charging the car at home and using the AC this summer, I haven't had to pay for any electricity since March. The incentives to go solar are insane right now. If you have a roof that is oriented in the right direction, there's almost no reason to not do it. Our solar installment cost about 40k but we got 17k of that back from state and federal, and it's already saved us $2500 in electric bills this year. It should basically pay for itself in 6 years (less if the cost of electricity continues to go up), and then it's basically free electricity and car charging for as long we live here, PLUS it adds 15-20k value to the house. Seriously, solar and EVs make a huge amount of financial sense right now, if you can afford the initial costs. Also better for the environment in the long term, if you're motivated by that.
I saw an F150 Lightning for the first time this weekend.
It looked similar enough to a normal F150 that I think it'll catch on fast with the Ford-lovers.
It's going to be a legendary fleet vehicle. Zero gas costs, charge on-site overnight at basement-tier rates, zero maintenance, daily work trips never exceed 350 miles.
I hope so since I own Ford stock, but I think it will be a while before real Ford truck guys embrace EVs. For Fleet vehicles, it does make a lot of sense.
Our solar installment cost about 40k but we got 17k of that back from state and federal, and it's already saved us $2500 in electric bills this year. It should basically pay for itself in 6 years (less if the cost of electricity continues to go up), and then it's basically free electricity and car charging for as long we live here, PLUS it adds 15-20k value to the house. Seriously, solar and EVs make a huge amount of financial sense right now, if you can afford the initial costs. Also better for the environment in the long term, if you're motivated by that.
Agreed, but those are BIG IFs. I agree about solar. Great investment. However, most Americans don't have the money and don't own a house to put it on. You are talking about cars that are $10K more than an equivalent ICE car, so you need to be VERY motivated by the environment. And the break even on that price difference due to lower EV operating costs could be 10 years or more, 5 years minimum even with solar. For those who can afford it, it may not be a good financial decision.
Good on you for doing both. I have solar and love it. I won't buy an EV until the price gap is smaller such that the break even between EV and ICE is more like 2-3 years so I reap financial benefits for several years before needing a new car.
Our solar installment cost about 40k but we got 17k of that back from state and federal, and it's already saved us $2500 in electric bills this year. It should basically pay for itself in 6 years (less if the cost of electricity continues to go up), and then it's basically free electricity and car charging for as long we live here, PLUS it adds 15-20k value to the house. Seriously, solar and EVs make a huge amount of financial sense right now, if you can afford the initial costs. Also better for the environment in the long term, if you're motivated by that.
Agreed, but those are BIG IFs. I agree about solar. Great investment. However, most Americans don't have the money and don't own a house to put it on. You are talking about cars that are $10K more than an equivalent ICE car, so you need to be VERY motivated by the environment. And the break even on that price difference due to lower EV operating costs could be 10 years or more, 5 years minimum even with solar. For those who can afford it, it may not be a good financial decision.
Good on you for doing both. I have solar and love it. I won't buy an EV until the price gap is smaller such that the break even between EV and ICE is more like 2-3 years so I reap financial benefits for several years before needing a new car.
