Cool story: 6 yrs ago, he was a recovering meth/heroin addict who smoked 2 packs a day. Now he's a 2:16 OTrials marathoner

TNE wrote:

Amazing story… not sure what is wrong with half of you on this board. This guy succumbed to addiction like many americans, only his happened to be one with a more negative connotation (as opposed to you clowns sitting on your phone, watching tv, porn, video games, whatever). We all have our issues and nobody is perfect but the important thing is this guy turned his life around. And for those of you who say he is doping, we have no idea. He ran a 4:50 mile freshman year of highschool which shows he has potential, we don’t have any idea what his training was in highschool and he could have run 4:1X for all we know if he didn’t quit. The human body is alot more resilient than we are led to believe and this guy clearly understands that. Also checked his strava and he averaged 185bpm for an entire marathon, meaning this guy is pushing himself to his absolute limits. Most of you probably average 160 during your marathons. Super impressive story, unfortunate everyone likes to be a hater. Says alot about the state of our world. Developed countries rates of happiness are going down every year despite our overwhelming success. His success doesn’t take away from yours.

Honest Mike wrote:

TNE wrote:

Amazing story… not sure what is wrong with half of you on this board. This guy succumbed to addiction like many americans, only his happened to be one with a more negative connotation (as opposed to you clowns sitting on your phone, watching tv, porn, video games, whatever). We all have our issues and nobody is perfect but the important thing is this guy turned his life around. And for those of you who say he is doping, we have no idea. He ran a 4:50 mile freshman year of highschool which shows he has potential, we don’t have any idea what his training was in highschool and he could have run 4:1X for all we know if he didn’t quit. The human body is alot more resilient than we are led to believe and this guy clearly understands that. Also checked his strava and he averaged 185bpm for an entire marathon, meaning this guy is pushing himself to his absolute limits. Most of you probably average 160 during your marathons. Super impressive story, unfortunate everyone likes to be a hater. Says alot about the state of our world. Developed countries rates of happiness are going down every year despite our overwhelming success. His success doesn’t take away from yours.

No dude.

He didn't oops his way to hard drugs.

Practically all people can walk out the door and go to a party and find no way possible to take a hard substance.

Fewer can find their way to a party and try a hard substance and decide to continue.

And to be fair, I don't have a smart phone, a video game system or a desire to even start to watch dirty pornography.

If you or anyone had told me that someone had been depressed, wanted to end it all, slept 20 hours a day, and had no desire for anything....and found marathon training as therapy and established an OTQ time...I'd be so proud and supportive of the effort.

But the minute it involves drugs and drug rehab...I'm out.

I'm even willing to say that I'd be ok if they had simply tried a hard drug during a rough patch and decided..nope...I'll train instead.

But many of us could not tell you what a shroom, acid, cocaine, crack, meth, heroin or any opioid or full scale illicit drug experience is like.

I don't care what he uses in his training because I think practically all elites and some sub-elites dabble in something.

That he ran 2:16 and change? Great. That's success.

But no thanks because of the drugs.

I don't have to accept it any more than you have to accept my opinion.

But we're both free to support or not support who we wish.

Yoier wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

No dude.

He didn't oops his way to hard drugs.

Practically all people can walk out the door and go to a party and find no way possible to take a hard substance.

Fewer can find their way to a party and try a hard substance and decide to continue.

And to be fair, I don't have a smart phone, a video game system or a desire to even start to watch dirty pornography.

If you or anyone had told me that someone had been depressed, wanted to end it all, slept 20 hours a day, and had no desire for anything....and found marathon training as therapy and established an OTQ time...I'd be so proud and supportive of the effort.

But the minute it involves drugs and drug rehab...I'm out.

I'm even willing to say that I'd be ok if they had simply tried a hard drug during a rough patch and decided..nope...I'll train instead.

But many of us could not tell you what a shroom, acid, cocaine, crack, meth, heroin or any opioid or full scale illicit drug experience is like.

I don't care what he uses in his training because I think practically all elites and some sub-elites dabble in something.

That he ran 2:16 and change? Great. That's success.

But no thanks because of the drugs.

I don't have to accept it any more than you have to accept my opinion.

But we're both free to support or not support who we wish.

You say you are free to support or not support who you wish. How would you support him? You make no sense. Nobody cares what you think of this guy and yet you go on and on about him. He is just a guy and surely no better or worse than you but you still judge him harshly. Why? It makes no sense.

Yoier wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

Because we're supposed to be inspired by a former drug addict with the (assumed to be expected) premise that most people have tried hard drugs. Furthermore, I am opining as a naysayer why it's not inspiring. Anyone against drugs would judge him harshly. And we don't need to be Whitlock, Adande,Paige, Gladwell, or any member of the media to say so. I have the right to represent myself as an anti-drug advocate to do so.

You are welcome to your opinion of course but when you say you are supposed to be inspired it sounds as if Rojo is your guru. Please do not give Rojo so much power over yourself. Rojo said it was an inspiring story. This does not mean you have to be inspired but nobody ever posited that you had to be. You can be uninspired without being a prick about your condemnation of his previous addiction.

Yoier wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

Because we're supposed to be inspired by a former drug addict with the (assumed to be expected) premise that most people have tried hard drugs. Furthermore, I am opining as a naysayer why it's not inspiring. Anyone against drugs would judge him harshly. And we don't need to be Whitlock, Adande,Paige, Gladwell, or any member of the media to say so. I have the right to represent myself as an anti-drug advocate to do so.

You are welcome to your opinion of course but when you say you are supposed to be inspired it sounds as if Rojo is your guru. Please do not give Rojo so much power over yourself. Rojo said it was an inspiring story. This does not mean you have to be inspired but nobody ever posited that you had to be. You can be uninspired without being a prick about your condemnation of his previous addiction.

ClubRunnah wrote:

Hayduke wrote:

Naw. This is the “everyone makes mistakes “ arguments. Yes everyone does, but there are mistakes and messing up, and there are choices. You can’t just walk into a grocery store and get Meth or heroin. there is a difference between a fender bender and rape. Everything that is wrong isn’t simply a mistake or Messing up. There is a spectrum

That point is valid. I think his story is better told to people who are now using. They think it's helpless and that there is no way out. For those of us that have never gone down that path I agree that for us it's kind of a "you f'd around and found out didn't you?" situation.

We knew better so we are just glad he's back as a contributing member of society. But that is something we can be happy about, right?

Honest Mike wrote:

TNE wrote:

Amazing story… not sure what is wrong with half of you on this board. This guy succumbed to addiction like many americans, only his happened to be one with a more negative connotation (as opposed to you clowns sitting on your phone, watching tv, porn, video games, whatever). We all have our issues and nobody is perfect but the important thing is this guy turned his life around. And for those of you who say he is doping, we have no idea. He ran a 4:50 mile freshman year of highschool which shows he has potential, we don’t have any idea what his training was in highschool and he could have run 4:1X for all we know if he didn’t quit. The human body is alot more resilient than we are led to believe and this guy clearly understands that. Also checked his strava and he averaged 185bpm for an entire marathon, meaning this guy is pushing himself to his absolute limits. Most of you probably average 160 during your marathons. Super impressive story, unfortunate everyone likes to be a hater. Says alot about the state of our world. Developed countries rates of happiness are going down every year despite our overwhelming success. His success doesn’t take away from yours.

No dude.

He didn't oops his way to hard drugs.

Practically all people can walk out the door and go to a party and find no way possible to take a hard substance.

Fewer can find their way to a party and try a hard substance and decide to continue.

And to be fair, I don't have a smart phone, a video game system or a desire to even start to watch dirty pornography.

If you or anyone had told me that someone had been depressed, wanted to end it all, slept 20 hours a day, and had no desire for anything....and found marathon training as therapy and established an OTQ time...I'd be so proud and supportive of the effort.

But the minute it involves drugs and drug rehab...I'm out.

I'm even willing to say that I'd be ok if they had simply tried a hard drug during a rough patch and decided..nope...I'll train instead.

But many of us could not tell you what a shroom, acid, cocaine, crack, meth, heroin or any opioid or full scale illicit drug experience is like.

I don't care what he uses in his training because I think practically all elites and some sub-elites dabble in something.

That he ran 2:16 and change? Great. That's success.

But no thanks because of the drugs.

I don't have to accept it any more than you have to accept my opinion.

But we're both free to support or not support who we wish.

not a duck wrote:

Honest Mike wrote:

No dude.

He didn't oops his way to hard drugs.

Practically all people can walk out the door and go to a party and find no way possible to take a hard substance.

Fewer can find their way to a party and try a hard substance and decide to continue.

And to be fair, I don't have a smart phone, a video game system or a desire to even start to watch dirty pornography.

If you or anyone had told me that someone had been depressed, wanted to end it all, slept 20 hours a day, and had no desire for anything....and found marathon training as therapy and established an OTQ time...I'd be so proud and supportive of the effort.

But the minute it involves drugs and drug rehab...I'm out.

I'm even willing to say that I'd be ok if they had simply tried a hard drug during a rough patch and decided..nope...I'll train instead.

But many of us could not tell you what a shroom, acid, cocaine, crack, meth, heroin or any opioid or full scale illicit drug experience is like.

I don't care what he uses in his training because I think practically all elites and some sub-elites dabble in something.

That he ran 2:16 and change? Great. That's success.

But no thanks because of the drugs.

I don't have to accept it any more than you have to accept my opinion.

But we're both free to support or not support who we wish.

LMAO. What a poor outlook on life. So you’ve never tried hard drugs and don’t understand how people get addicted to hard drugs. Not surprising.

People change you know, maybe you could take a leaf out of this guys book.