Shelby Houlihan Sets Up a Gofundme and Website

liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

What is a doping apologist?

You.

Marvellous!

Now try again.

Please define the term “ doping apologist”.

You have been asked this a dozen times.

On other occasions you have responded with vile excrement based insults which should have got you banned. And such insults to many others.[/quote]

If the cap fits.

A doping apologist will deny or minimise the extent of doping in sport, or they will deny or minimise how it advantages athletes, or they will deny or minimise the indicators that suggest any given performance or athlete is suspicious, or they will say some athletes dope but never their favorites. An apologist will also refuse to accept that a person found to have committed a doping violation is therefore a doper, or will refuse to accept that a Court finding a violation is "intentional" means just that.

Plenty there for you to choose from. But my earlier response did just as well. You demonstrate by example - as does your cheerleader rekrunner, who has made it his life's calling.

liar soorer, shut up, you have been totally pwned by A.

shelby is an intentional lying drug cheat.

Shelby is a bad person. This is absolutely pathetic. What a self absorbed moron.

I wonder if Shalane Flanagan gave her money? She supported Shelby when she got suspended.

Why does her GoFundMe page have a staged photo of her about to race with a group of only white women?

She has already benefited from racism here: no black person with the same absurd story would be given the media benefit of the doubt as Princess Shelby.

Now she is using and harnessing racist images that exclude black people from distance running?

As anti-racist runners, we should pass. Mostly because she’s a known lying cheater and disgrace to the sport. But also for the racism.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-shelby-fight-to-prove-her-innocence

A comment of someone who donated to the go fund me...

“Shelby, When I was in high school, everyday I would go to Chipotle and ask for a double wrapped burrito with extra beans, extra meat, extra rice, extra cheese, and sour cream. For years I felt terrible afterwards, and my doctor told me it was my cholesterol. Stunned to find that I was likely eating uncastrated boar meat in titan sized helpings. THANK YOU for exposing these burrito companies for what they are. I just wish the uncastrated boar meat made me as good at lacrosse as it made you at running. Have a safe and happy Thanksgiving and be careful what you eat!”

Is this person joking, or does she ACTUALLY have people believing they are all consuming nandrolone at Chipotle??

Free Shelby? More like, Free the Burritos.

The entitled nerve of her to ask for hand outs while there are literally children starving is appalling.

Get a frigging job, take out loans, or write a book.

Start Shelby Landis CBD or something.

Anyone who gives her money is a rube.

I donated $1000. Every fan should.

I took that one about Chipotle as a joke. Is $5 the minimum donation amount?

I'm stunned at the people donating hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

Jonathan Gault has given the fund a shout out on his Twitter account. It's backfiring as nearly every one of the comments is highly critical of the fund and some are critical of his promoting it.

https://twitter.com/jgault13/status/1463583779201687556

Shelby is sweet wrote:

I donated $1000. Every fan should.

This works better if you claim a value that shows up on the web page.

Raddison wrote:

Jonathan Gault has given the fund a shout out on his Twitter account. It's backfiring as nearly every one of the comments is highly critical of the fund and some are critical of his promoting it.

Many reporters in the Twitter age want to be the news and not just report it.

How much is LRC and Jerry donating to her?

They criticised WADA after she was tested positive. So are they pumping in tons of money into this case to prove her innocence, and thereby exposing WADA's "incompetence"?

I'm sure Jerry is loaded so he better channel his life savings into this fund.

Raddison wrote:

Jonathan Gault has given the fund a shout out on his Twitter account. It's backfiring as nearly every one of the comments is highly critical of the fund and some are critical of his promoting it.

LOL, yes, nice comments there, e.g. "Anti-integrity officer" and "Pro-doping sports fan". Sad but true: JG has no shame, and continues to openly support this drug cheat.

Meanwhile, if you are really desperate to donate to a burrito related GoFundMe page then I would recommend this one even though he has already surpassed his $16 goal. His story is much more convincing, and entertaining, than Shelby's.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/case-of-the-missing-burrito?qid=45d139963bae9280b6502d043647b434

It's less of a shoutout than reporting of a news item.

casual obsever wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

They would have found peaks that they would not have understood and reported accordingly.

Yes - but reported behind closed doors, not publicly, leading to target-testing. Have a look at the USADA testing list to see who currently gets target-tested:

https://www.usada.org/news/athlete-test-history/

Only once such a list (2016) leaked, thanks to Fancy Bears. The only two "likely doping" Americans were Rupp and Jager, with Jager's five comical priority stars out of three.

Coincidentally, Jager was never quite the same thereafter, and now keeps having injury issues.

FYI, last time I looked, Centro, Jager and Rupp were at the top of the USADA test list. Houlihan is still being watched, though not as much as in 2020, where she was tested twice as much as Centro. and also more than Jager and Rupp.

Good point.

Never too sure what one can read into who and when gets tested but as a separate point I am not sure how published target testing fits in with libel type stuff( searching for correct words… sorry)

You obviously have not read the rules or the AIU press release.Nor has A.

Not a lawyer, but I think many have lost sight of the legal framework Shelby was dealing with and what her options. Doping is strict liability, which means that it's guilty unless proven innocent. Sentencing is different depending on intent/other factors but ultimately you need to prove that either a) your test result is somehow wrong, b) that the substance in your sample got there in a way that you could not reasonably foresee. So her choices (regardless of whether they are true) were:

1. admit to doping, get the maximum sentence.

2. prove definitively that her sample was tampered with or that testing was not done/interpreted correctly, get off.

3. demonstrate that she somehow ingested nandrolone from an "unforeseeable" source such as meat, tainted prescription medication, kissing a prostitute etc. Get off or get reduced sentence depending on circumstances.

4. claim that she consumed some kind of tainted supplement. Get reduced sentence.

5. claim she has absolutely no idea how it got there. Get maximum sentence.

Back in early 2021, Shelby had two choices (2,3) that would enable her to compete at the 2021 Olympics. Proving the lab messed up is difficult or impossible since they have a lot of documentation and experts. Claiming an unforeseeable source gives you more options, but the burden of proof is still difficult. But, it has worked in the past for athletes I alluded to in the examples. The tainted supplement argument would be more likely to succeed; OTC supplements are so commonly tainted that even if they couldn't get a positive test on any of the batches she had, it's easy enough to believe it:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hundreds-of-dietary-supplements-are-tainted-with-prescription-drugs/

But, claiming this would mean she would miss the Olympics since it would likely get her a 2 year ban. So she want "all in" with the only argument that would maybe let her compete at the Olympics if successful. The cost was that if she lost, she'd miss 2 Olympics. This was a bad gamble.

The reason Nike and BTC are not backing her financially (we presume) is that they know it's a lost cause. It isn't about whether they believe her or not, it's that legally speaking there's not much to go on to appeal a second time. They laid out all their cards, which were pretty weak - non-scientific (hair analysis, lie detector test), and character references from friends (???).

Personally, I think she was either microdosing w/ bad timing/dosing or consumed a tainted supplement. If it is truly the tainted supplement thing, my sympathy for her wore out a while ago because of the BS about the burrito.