Seriously: What is the COVID endgame?

Lets Run Snobs Have No Self Awareness wrote:

Why don’t mainstream conservatives complain about these mandates?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/records/schools.htmlhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220954/

Because on the schools, with the exception of 5 states, parents can opt out with either personal or religious exemptions.

On the military you're basically giving up your rights anyway by agreeing to be killed in battle. And other than a wartime draft, people join the military voluntarily - no one is forced.

You're welcome.

Personal exemption to watch your child die of measles! Now that’s called good parenting.

I supposed if you’re really so tremendously stupid to avoid vaccinating your child, nature has a way of making sure your genes aren’t passed on. Tragic but fair.

6857lol wrote:

On the other hand, there is a new virus, which out of nowhere, is now responsible for 13% of ALL DEATHS in the age group 30-64.

But sure, its no big deal. I bet you might be pushing 30?

45 year old man has probability of dying around 0.35% in the next year

if I add 13% which covid brought -

it's going to be 0.39%

are you sure it's a big deal which warrants absolute shtshow we are witnessing for 2 years?

Still people don't seem to understand the problem. Nobody ever doubted that one individual's chance of dying because of COVID 19 is next to zero, especially when healthy. But for 1000s of others it isn't and than icu's are full in no time as we see now all over europe. Even when there are lockdowns all over the place.

If you need a routine operation - game over.

If you have a car accident, same. Etc etc.

its really getting ugly here wrote:

Still people don't seem to understand the problem. Nobody ever doubted that one individual's chance of dying because of COVID 19 is next to zero, especially when healthy. But for 1000s of others it isn't and than icu's are full in no time as we see now all over europe. Even when there are lockdowns all over the place.

If you need a routine operation - game over.

If you have a car accident, same. Etc etc.

we all understand that and solution to that is not lockdowns and not restriction but upgrading medical system so they could cope with covid cases which is endemic now - it was supposed to be done in 2 weeks when we were flattening the curve, remember?

In Melbourne Australia they had 500 icus and were promised 8 000 ICus within weeks

do you know how many ICUs they have now? still 500 after 2 years

And it's like everywhere

I know when not so rich countries like Indonesia and India were ovewhelmed with cases - it took just 3-4 weeks to organize so they could accept that avalanche of cases

now tell me after 2 years why can't so called rich countries do something with their medical system so covid cases won't interrupt life and ongoing restriction still required when risk for average person is miniscule?

when enough is enough?

maybe people responsible for that should start going to jail instead of telling us how they keep us safe

we don't need to be safe we'are already safe and were safe all this time

Harambe wrote:

Personal exemption to watch your child die of measles! Now that’s called good parenting.

I supposed if you’re really so tremendously stupid to avoid vaccinating your child, nature has a way of making sure your genes aren’t passed on. Tragic but fair.

C'mon, man. You know that's not how it works. If it was only antivaxxers' kids dying, we could just let them face the consequences of their choices. But even a vaccine with 95% efficacy means there's 1 person in 20 that it just doesn't do much for. Some anti-vaxxer sends their kid to school with measles, and that 1 kid in their class gets sick. If personal/religious exemptions remain rare, it's not a big deal. If half the school is asking for an exemption, the whole system falls apart.

Two possible endgames: we figure out an effective vaccine strategy that eventually knocks the virus down for good (like measles or polio), or we have a never-ending series of variants and breakthrough infections that will chop years off our lives and trillions from the economy (like influenza from hell).

Great post. This is like the green goo in ghost busters that makes everyone get all riled up.

This will sound a little weird.

But the answer is the internet + media. That sounds cliche, but stay with me.

There is one book that subtly explains ALL of what is happening right now. And ironically, I learned about this book on LetsRun! From wejo/rojo.

It's called The Shallows: What the Internet does to our brains.

It wades through a variety of scientific literature about how humans use tools - and how tools shape the way we think. One of the books main assertions is that we are not in as much control of tools and technology as we think. The tools dictate how we think. And those assertions are backed by fascinating studies.

The book goes on to say that the internet DECREASES empathy. It hinders critical thinking. Memory. And deep concentration.

This is similar to what Boston guy posted earlier. About how masking has a huge detrimental effect on human to human relations. The internet only exacerbates this already negative trend. If it were up to me all media companies and the internet would be banned for 1 month for all of us to exhale.

C'mon man! wrote:

meeel wrote:

Because I follow the guidance of the CDC and the FDA. Because more than 8,000 children aged 5 to 11 have been hospitalized from serious Covid illness and about 800 have died. Because 0 out of 2,300 children in Pfizer’s study had serious complications from the vaccine.

There have not been 800 Rona deaths of kids aged 5 to 11. Where are you getting that nonsense?

Even NPR says it's 172.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/03/1051299050/covid-vaccine-kids-5-11

Here is my math on this. Take what you will from it.

172 deaths from covid over 22 months is 94 per year. Population age 5-11 is approximately 29 million. 29M divided by 94 deaths per year shows a risk of death of 1 in 308,000 per year.

As a parent, would you have your child get the vaccine? Or, would you wait a year to see what the long-term effects of the vaccine are on children ages 5-11? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the observational period for the children's trial only 2 months?

It's a tough call. Either way, you're putting your child at risk by your decision. I hope every parent is responsible enough to study the available data and not make a decision based on politics one way or the other. Politics should have no place in your personal health decisions.

There have not been 800 Rona deaths of kids aged 5 to 11. Where are you getting that nonsense?

Even NPR says it's 172.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/11/03/1051299050/covid-vaccine-kids-5-11

Here is my math on this. Take what you will from it.

172 deaths from covid over 22 months is 94 per year. Population age 5-11 is approximately 29 million. 29M divided by 94 deaths per year shows a risk of death of 1 in 308,000 per year.

As a parent, would you have your child get the vaccine? Or, would you wait a year to see what the long-term effects of the vaccine are on children ages 5-11? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the observational period for the children's trial only 2 months?

It's a tough call. Either way, you're putting your child at risk by your decision. I hope every parent is responsible enough to study the available data and not make a decision based on politics one way or the other. Politics should have no place in your personal health decisions.[/quote]

it's not tough call at all

ther is zero benefit for a child on a personal level from vaccination

that 1 in 308000 all had serious morbidities, for healthy children covid significantly milder than flu

I was completeley disabled for 2 days after second Pfizer and couldn't properly run at least 3-4 weeks after that

why would I risk exposing my child into that possibility plus addition very real risk of miocardities plus other unknown risk from experimental vaccine vs harmless covid? just to protect some unknown dementic elder?

I'[m sure they will ban unvaccinated children from schools and at some point they will have to be vaccinated but before that I will let others to do experiments with their children

A123 wrote:

why would I risk exposing my child into that possibility plus addition very real risk of miocardities

Miocardities?

A123 wrote:

6857lol wrote:

On the other hand, there is a new virus, which out of nowhere, is now responsible for 13% of ALL DEATHS in the age group 30-64.

But sure, its no big deal. I bet you might be pushing 30?

45 year old man has probability of dying around 0.35% in the next year

if I add 13% which covid brought -

it's going to be 0.39%

are you sure it's a big deal which warrants absolute shtshow we are witnessing for 2 years?

Possibly the worst math ever performed on LRC

Oh man I’m totally against personal and religious exemptions. I’m just laughing at the morons who think COVID vaccines are different from other scheduled shots.

If we had 100% vaccination we’d already be close to baseline excess deaths.

Boosters will only improve things. Everyone will get squeezed into complying eventually, one way or another. I’m optimistic we are on our way out of this. No variants worse than delta in a year… fingers crossed.

Harambe wrote:

A123 wrote:

45 year old man has probability of dying around 0.35% in the next year

if I add 13% which covid brought -

it's going to be 0.39%

are you sure it's a big deal which warrants absolute shtshow we are witnessing for 2 years?

Possibly the worst math ever performed on LRC

Did you have F in math?

Or you were learnt some non racist math? LOL

Boston Guy wrote:

We aren't going to vaccinate it out of existence. We sure as hell aren't going to mask it out of existence. So what's the endgame here? Live with futile masks and restrictions forever?

Well you live with shoes forever, don't you? In fact you even love them and could not even imagine taking one step on the ground without them for your entire fricking life, because of all of the horrible things that would happen if you didn't. And yet that is not sad to you. It's just normal.

* I surely hope medical doctors are pounding the table and yelling and screaming in their patients' faces and telling the women to get sub-30% body fat and male patients to get sub-20% body fat. That is it. It is not just exercise. We have seen some fat baseball players and fat Am. football players die from corona virus over the past 22 or 23 months. Doctors have to tell their patients to slim down. Mask or no mask. Vaxxed or not vaxxed, eventually we all are going to be covid-19 positive. When we are positive, one would rather not be fat than fat.

* It is better to exercise than not to exercise. Doctors, are you telling your patients' to exercise. I know there is little money in doctors telling their patients not to be fat and to exercise, but it is the only way.

* Fourteen century plague lasted about 100 years with about 80% of deaths in the first 4 years and about 90% of deaths in the first 5 years. We all are going to get it. I don't care how much zinc or vitamin C or vitamin D, if a person lives long enough, you all will eventually be covid-19 positive. Doctors are you telling your patients the truth? They will get it no matter what.

Harambe wrote:

Everyone will get squeezed into complying eventually, one way or another. I’m optimistic we are on our way out of this. No variants worse than delta in a year… fingers crossed.

Of course we are on our way out of this. Look at Sweden! They are testing a lot less and suddenly their cases dropped massively! Magic!

I'm optimistic you will go back into your meaningless existence once COVID stops making the news... fingers crossed.

What is the Covid endgame?

My guess is it's Harambe claiming everyone needs to suck another man's penis, like he does on a regular basis, so we can get back to normal.

bfef wrote:

Boston Guy wrote:

We aren't going to vaccinate it out of existence. We sure as hell aren't going to mask it out of existence. So what's the endgame here? Live with futile masks and restrictions forever?

Well you live with shoes forever, don't you? In fact you even love them and could not even imagine taking one step on the ground without them for your entire fricking life, because of all of the horrible things that would happen if you didn't. And yet that is not sad to you. It's just normal.

Shoes make me more comfort. I don’t step on rocks. That’s good!

Masks make me less comfort. It blocks my breathing, is hot, dogs my glasses, makes my nose run, and causes all sorts of skin issues. That’s bad!

shaggy dude wrote:

bfef wrote:

Well you live with shoes forever, don't you? In fact you even love them and could not even imagine taking one step on the ground without them for your entire fricking life, because of all of the horrible things that would happen if you didn't. And yet that is not sad to you. It's just normal.

Shoes make me more comfort. I don’t step on rocks. That’s good!

Masks make me less comfort. It blocks my breathing, is hot, dogs my glasses, makes my nose run, and causes all sorts of skin issues. That’s bad!

You'll learn to love your mask, just like your shoes. You'll be gushing about the latest super mask on LRC. Give it time.