UO women track athletes alleging they felt victimized by the program's data-driven approach to weight and body fat percentage

free shipping with purchases wrote:

Hopefully the "track is math ... body fat percentages tell us how to train people" quote from Robert Johnson reveals him as the witless idiot many have known for fifteen years now. It's not that he would believe something that facile - if coaching were that simple, how does he justify his salary? - but if that's the best excuse he can come up with he has revealed how tone-deaf and uncreative he is. The guy is conniving, amoral, and lucky as hell to land at Oregon with all the attendant resources, but this guy is not intelligent and not a good coach.

+1. He’s a truly dishonest and dishonorable person.

progressive regressive wrote:

dbhssh wrote:

Presumably he wouldn’t encourage the athletes to become even more susceptible to stress fractures and wouldn’t risk their long term bone health (e,g osteoporosis)

But you’re welcome to do that, I bow to your wisdom.

Except the DEXA was literally created to be a bone density test. It gives an accurate assessment of risk for stress fractures and risk for osteoporosis. Your argument is so stupid that you are literally arguing making athletes do a bone density test is going to give them more stress fractures.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/10683-dexa-dxa-scan-bone-density-test

More stress fractures are caused from being OVERWEIGHT than from being under-weight. Trying to run 80 miles per week at 10-15 pounds overweight is going to annihilate your shin bones and foot bones.

Hhhmmmmm yes... Except that they told an already amenorrheic athlete to drop her bodyfat further. They are clearly using the scan for the purpose of bodyfat.

If they told an already unhealthy athlete to drop her weight further, what makes you think they care about her bone density?

They are Roberts athletes. Damn read. wrote:

NO DUCK WOMEN HAVE SPOKEN UP TO DEFEND JOHNSON!!! NONE! Having had a conversation with 3 of them, each from 2 freshman classes apart from each other and by rough count they say the number of women speaking up now is over 60. This is only getting started. Goe was only speaking to a few who contacted him. Speaks volumes that not a single former scholarship Duck woman has come out on Twitter to defend Robert in 2 and a half days now doesn’t it. That’s what I have been watching. Not all the misogynistic trolls posting hate on this thread. Over 60 women is not insignificant whiners angry about their collegiate experience. The 60 range from Olympic medalists to All Americans to Pac-12 scorers.

Good points here. No way Ken Goe writes this story unless he believes the problem is real and bigger than that he 5 people he spoke with. Those 5 are the tip of the iceberg.

Come off of it.

First off, the DEXA scans are for bone density not body composition and using them for body comp is inaccurate. So much for "math" and "numbers."

Also, humans aren't motivated for very long by threats, punishment and shame and guilt.

If that's how you think the BEST operate then you are missing it. We can receive and take negative feedback, but actually, yeah if a coach can't do corrections without shame, guilt or punishment, I feel for them too. They kinda suck.

free shipping with purchases wrote:

Hopefully the "track is math ... body fat percentages tell us how to train people" quote from Robert Johnson reveals him as the witless idiot many have known for fifteen years now. It's not that he would believe something that facile - if coaching were that simple, how does he justify his salary? - but if that's the best excuse he can come up with he has revealed how tone-deaf and uncreative he is. The guy is conniving, amoral, and lucky as hell to land at Oregon with all the attendant resources, but this guy is not intelligent and not a good coach.

Every football coach has stats they use to recruit different positions on the team. If you aren't X tall and Y weight, they won't even look at you, much less give you an offer. The very athletes that do succeed are always pointed out as outliers, think of small little Johnny Manziel as a QB. He's listed as 6'0, but at that position he's was short runt.

So in context of what Johnson said, all athletics at some point can be mathematical.

You will never have someone 200 lbs win the NCAA 10k.

You will never have someone 5'6 150 lbs win the shot put.

8-12 lb weight gain as a freshman or sophomore distance runner should automatically qualify for pulling any scholarship dollars Fatty had received coming out of HS.

Don't like it??

Watts per Kilogram, fatty

Next! ....you got 1,002 more lined up to take your place.

Again, running varsity D1 is a privilege that takes physical, mental, and emotional sacrifice.

Anyone can leave the program or get kicked of the team.

Two-way street, and no coach is obliged to sacrifice a programs success because Sally the HS phenom can't control her appetite.

Next!

under a bridge wrote:

There is a huge difference between acknowledging that body composition is a factor in athletic performance and performing periodic DEXA scans to make a certain body fat % a target as opposed to a result. Seems like most Oregon defenders are couching this as the former which is intellectually dishonest.

Bumping because the dishonest are still trying to frame the complaints merely as Oregon staff acknowledging that body composition is one factor in athletic performance, as if that’s the summary of the allegations.

Where are the former Ducks defending Johnson? Crickets.......

Here’s two more ducks and one is a coach herself.

Aj Acosta

https://twitter.com/omfgchocotaco/status/1452876002082758657?s=21

Nicole blood

https://twitter.com/nicbloodfreitag/status/1452749373213921285?s=21

Lesson:

recruit foreign female runners, stay far away from the entitle white females

Actually most football coaches don't care as much about weight as they do speed and past performance. Height can matter for some positions but for others it is quickly overwhelmed by ability. Wide receives are usually over 6 foot but look at the success of folks like Wes Welker, Danny Aemndola, Julian Adelman all of whom were under 5'11 (and that's their listed height which might have spotted them an inch or two). Look at Ray Rice who was very short for a running back. The opposite is true too guys like Vince Wilfork or Warren Sapp both those guys were huge but they could play at a high level. A shorter QB might have to work harder but if they have talent they'll make the cut, people aren't recruiting high school football players based primarily on size and weight but what they did on the gridiron. The only time I've seen height specifically recruited for is exceptionally tall basketball players. Someone like Tacko Fall or Yao Ming might not have had the talent developed yet but pro teams took a chance on them b/c of the potential given their height. Basketball is pretty much the exception.

Because there are so many male posters on this thread who are clearly enthusiastic about fat-shaming college age women…

Would some of you care to write out just how your fantasy fat-shaming conversation with an 18 year-old girl would go?

Don’t forget to include the part about how you think this is going to lead to better results.

re Blood's tweet, Oregon has had a woman as head distance coach for many years now, there is a woman volunteer assistant sprints coach, the dietician is a woman, and 1/2 trainers is a woman

https://goducks.com/sports/track-and-field/roster

You don't think football coaches care about height and weight??? And then you point out like 6 guys that are outliers???

You're a complete fool. Try again.

Tell me how many men have won the NCAA that weighed more than 200 lbs!

How many guys that won Boston are6'1+?

In sports, body type matters a great deal.

Blood's comment about UNC maybe and not Oregon?

progressive regressive wrote:

dbhssh wrote:

Presumably he wouldn’t encourage the athletes to become even more susceptible to stress fractures and wouldn’t risk their long term bone health (e,g osteoporosis)

But you’re welcome to do that, I bow to your wisdom.

Except the DEXA was literally created to be a bone density test. It gives an accurate assessment of risk for stress fractures and risk for osteoporosis. Your argument is so stupid that you are literally arguing making athletes do a bone density test is going to give them more stress fractures.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diagnostics/10683-dexa-dxa-scan-bone-density-test

More stress fractures are caused from being OVERWEIGHT than from being under-weight. Trying to run 80 miles per week at 10-15 pounds overweight is going to annihilate your shin bones and foot bones.

Wow initially I was horrified by this story but after reading this article, and others, on the DEXA I think it's an incredibly useful tool. It will create healthier athletes, not unhealthier athletes.

Coach Nicole is right. And even with women on the the staff, the staff needs to decide whether they are investing in their recruits and building them, or taking them in and driving them to fast failure or success. “Fail fast” is great in a tech startup, and fine for an incumbent track program that can attract many to deliver only a few. But it is no way to develop talent.

Why didn’t any of these duck women coaches weigh in on the matter? Robert “the Mathematician” appears to hold the whip hand and controls the message. In the end it’s very Nick Saban/power 5 football - 95 scholarships and a less than 10% chance of meaningful play. In a program like UO (and it is not alone) most recruits will fail. Choose with opens eyes. With full candor, there is no crime, but nothing of virtue either.

So a couple of years ago at a school in a mid major conference a where I volunteered had two freshman female distance runners, one tall and lean and very good, the other short and stout but surprisingly pretty good. I thought she was maybe a soccer player just trying to stay in shape, but her coach told me she deliberately rejected all of the body image stuff and was determined to compete in what she believed was her natural and healthiest body weight. For the first three years the tall lean girl had dominated the conference with the other girl taking 2nd through 5th places, but by their senior year the short stout one had become conference athlete of the year and broke several school records.

Of course, this was in a developmental, not powerhouse, style program.