BREAKING NEWS !!! - Mboma (48.54) WITHDRAWN from the 400 in the Olympics (Yes, Really)

Absolutely brilliant!

Maka wrote:

That's not the question here. The real issue is why did they not get tested right from the start?

Another question is: do we have any rule that mandates countries to subject female athletes to an examination to determine thier "actual" sexuality before even leaving the home soil to prevent such abuse of innocent athletes?

Why is the IAAF not compelling all countries to determine the testosterone levels of all females? This will surely discover the DSD issue at play here.

The "Semenya rule" can be abused to benefit a few if nothing is done to prevent last minute discoveries like Mboma and Masilingi.

1 November 2018 is quite a long time gone and nothing has been done in terms of the above concerns.

You are effectively proposing the creation and enforcement of international law on this issue. If we can't even get countries to agree on standard protocol/treatment for the most obvious human rights abuses and crimes, what makes you think anyone is going to prioritize catching this tiny population of athletes (those who actually even run fast of course)?

The IAAF is a joke btw.

Maka wrote:

Another question is: do we have any rule that mandates countries to subject female athletes to an examination to determine thier "actual" sexuality before even leaving the home soil to prevent such abuse of innocent athletes?

What does a woman’s sexuality have to do with her testosterone levels?

Maka wrote:

Why is the IAAF not compelling all countries to determine the testosterone levels of all females? This will surely discover the DSD issue at play here.

They do test for testosterone, during drug testing at major events.

How weird that people have to be in or out based on natural physical conditions beyond their control. Equally strange that while enhancement drugs are forbidden, those governing the events would require people to take drugs to lower a natually occurring hormone. So don't take unfair advantage by using drugs, but if you have a natural advantage take drugs to reduce it. Why don't they just choose classes based on testosterone levels? Any other way prohibits some people from participating. Is the concept of the olympics to find the fastest at agiven moment in time among world athletes? How unfair to ban people from competition because of how they are naturally. The Greeks would have been puzzled by this. They created the concept of Amazons, women warriors as powerul as men. Modern science has really messed up the concept of the games.

Anne smart wrote:

How weird that people have to be in or out based on natural physical conditions beyond their control. Equally strange that while enhancement drugs are forbidden, those governing the events would require people to take drugs to lower a natually occurring hormone. So don't take unfair advantage by using drugs, but if you have a natural advantage take drugs to reduce it. Why don't they just choose classes based on testosterone levels? Any other way prohibits some people from participating. Is the concept of the olympics to find the fastest at a given moment in time among world athletes? How unfair to ban people from competition because of how they are naturally. The Greeks would have been puzzled by this. They created the concept of Amazons, women warriors as powerul as men. Modern science has really messed up the concept of the games.

These intersex individuals are not women and not men in terms of their chromosomes. As the term intersex implies, they are a mixture of both and were born that way. From the moment of conception, from the standpoint of comparing them to a non-intersex female, they have had male androgens at play that make them stronger and faster than other females. They have likely always excelled at sports with other women that require such physical attributes and a few ultimately choose to become athletes. That really lets their genetic gifts show how much better they are than a non-intersex female. Everything about their physique, power and endurance are at levels that put them on a different playing field than non-intersex women. Their bodies have been bathed in androgens their whole life and to temporarily reduce their level of testosterone and think that it will create parity with other women would be ludicrous. This is what an intersex woman does to non-intersex women. They need their own division IMO.

Anne smart wrote:

How weird that people have to be in or out based on natural physical conditions beyond their control.

These athletes are not "out". They are free to compete in categories in which the testosterone level does not have a limitation. In the case of T&F, this appears to be the men's division.

Thanks, Mboma!

fada tyme wrote:

Anne smart wrote:

How weird that people have to be in or out based on natural physical conditions beyond their control.

These athletes are not "out". They are free to compete in categories in which the testosterone level does not have a limitation. In the case of T&F, this appears to be the men's division.

DIII relay runner?

These idiotic comments about liberals are so inaccurate. I am a liberal and a hardcore Liberal at that. Women should compete in female events and men should compete in male events. There shouldn't be exceptions. If at birth you have a vagina then female/a penis then male. If someone has had a sex change they must compete in their gender they were born with. That's only fair. PERIOD! Stop acting like you know what every liberal thinks.

fisky wrote:

In my opinion, a solution might be to handle intersex the way we handle awards at the USATF Masters Championships. Athletes outside the US are allowed to compete and get medals, but they don't bump US athletes out of medals. If the winner is Canadian, for example, he or she gets gold, but the 1st finishing US athlete also gets gold. This happened to me a few years back. I finished 3rd, but I got 2nd because the winner was Canadian.

I disagree with this makeshift "solution" (as a U.S. runner who nabbed a Canada masters silver medal). Being from another country gives little advantage on the playing field, whereas having a Y-related elevated testosterone is a major advantage. How miserable would it be to have the women's gold medalist be fifth or sixth runner across the line (already was the fourth in 2016 w800m). Not to mention how having these athletes in the race affects race dynamics among the XX women. This idea is a non-starter (DNS).

You nailed it Anne!

Doping is illegal when you take performance enhancing drugs but perfectly legal when taking suppressant drugs to lower your otherwise "natural" performance.

The hypocrisy stinks!!

dullard wrote:

Maka wrote:

Why should athletes with lower natural testosterone be protected by disadvantaging those with higher "natural" levels?

This is discrimination!

It's actually testicles and high testosterone vs no testicles. People with ovaries can have high testosterone and won't be banned from women's sport.

Correct. Or as I call it, XY.

Anne smart wrote:

How weird that people have to be in or out based on natural physical conditions beyond their control. Equally strange that while enhancement drugs are forbidden, those governing the events would require people to take drugs to lower a natually occurring hormone. So don't take unfair advantage by using drugs, but if you have a natural advantage take drugs to reduce it. Why don't they just choose classes based on testosterone levels? Any other way prohibits some people from participating. Is the concept of the olympics to find the fastest at agiven moment in time among world athletes? How unfair to ban people from competition because of how they are naturally. The Greeks would have been puzzled by this. They created the concept of Amazons, women warriors as powerul as men. Modern science has really messed up the concept of the games.

They are not banned from competing. They are banned from competing in the protected women’s category because they are XY.

Did you see the women’s 800 final in Rio?

Maka wrote:

You nailed it Anne!

Doping is illegal when you take performance enhancing drugs but perfectly legal when taking suppressant drugs to lower your otherwise "natural" performance.

The hypocrisy stinks!!

Lol I think you need to look up the word hypocrisy. The illegal one is when it helps performance.

It will be unfortunate if either of these athletes make it into the 200m final and exclude biological women from participating.

Maka wrote:

You nailed it Anne!

Doping is illegal when you take performance enhancing drugs but perfectly legal when taking suppressant drugs to lower your otherwise "natural" performance.

The hypocrisy stinks!!

The hypocrisy you decry can be eliminated at a stroke by having all athletes compete in a class with those whose "natural" performance is influenced by the same biological background. See how simple the world can be if only given a chance?

No XY intersex athletes with high testosterone will allow Felix to medal in the 400 (good for her I’m a fan of all US athletes unless they dope or are a horrible person). Internet outrage warriors are complaining about XY intersex athletes with high testosterone being banned 400-1500 but will celebrate Felix medaling, which will be made possible by the XY ban.

Of course the internet outrage machine doesn’t watch track and field (as most of them are unhealthy weirdos), so they don’t care about women’s track and field. In my opinion, we should either

1) have an XX division and an XY division in track and field

OR

2) have one open division and essentially end professional women’s track and field.

I would prefer option 1, as we don’t have men’s and women’s divisions because of “gender norms” we have them because those with XY chromosomes have a large advantage over those with XX chromosomes.

This coach knew as soon as he discovered Masilingi and Mboma that they were DSD. But he saw an opportunity to make quick money before IAAF ruled the two athletes ineligible.

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Not Surprised At All wrote:

I'm surprised that so many people actually thought that an 18 year old coming out of no where and running a 48.54 in the 400 was just a normal time from a talented athlete.

From a girl non the less