your parents wrote:
I had to stop after “similar levels of popularity” because I was laughing too hard to continue.
Yeah, Brandt is a 1/10, and Hunter is a 3/10. Hunter is probably 3x more popular than Brandt, but 3x a miniscule amount is still a small amount.
I know you think your favorite runner is popular, but trust me, he really isn't.
Hunter is nowhere near my favorite runner but I appreciate a team that actually makes promotional material. You can keep asserting the 1/10 and 3/10 but those are made up numbers. 47.8k to 1.4k IG followers are real numbers.
your parents wrote:
Hunter is nowhere near my favorite runner but I appreciate a team that actually makes promotional material. You can keep asserting the 1/10 and 3/10 but those are made up numbers. 47.8k to 1.4k IG followers are real numbers.
Right, and if we take someone like Jakob Ingebrigsten, with 263k followers, we can see what real popularity looks like. If we put Jakob as a 10/10, then Hunter with less than 1/5 of the followers is about 2/10, and Brandt would then be about 0.06/10. We can see that Brandt and Hunter are closer than Hunter and Jakob. I'm sure once Brandt turns pro he'll have a larger following.
This method is ridiculous of course, but you get the point.
In the grand scheme of running "celebrity", Drew is basically a nobody
I would never say that Hunter has similar levels of popularity as Ingebrigtsen because I’m not an idiot. You did say that Brandt has similar levels as Hunter because you are an idiot. That’s the difference. It’s not remotely close.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Amory wrote:
Yes, this take from Tinman was astoundingly arrogant. Anyone could tell how much raw talent Drew had when he won Penn relays in Grade 10. Just total power.
Why should we trust a random LRC user over what Tinman is saying with 30+ years of experience in exercise physiology and coaching? Since you mentioned Penn relays, where he beat senior Justyn Knight as sophomore and won the 3k in 8:16, I'll also stick to facts.
Drew Hunter as freshman ran as PRs:
800m - 2:04
1600m - 4:41
He also ran a XC race in 18:15, and improved to 15:45 on the same course one year later.
As sophomore, he ran 4:10 and 1:58. And the 8:16 3k as mentioned above.
What Tinman wants to illustrate is that each year, there is a decent number of HS kids that can run 2:04 & 4:41 as freshman, but fail to improve at the rate that Hunter did because their coaching isn't optimal. The only thing that made him take off 2.5 minutes in XC and 30s in the 1600 in 12 months of training was Tinman training, focused on CV, Tinman tempos, strides, hilly long runs, and hill reps. That's literally all he did that year. Meanwhile, other kids were hammering VO2MAX intervals, anaerobic intervals, all-out sprints, etc. Some of them got raced twice a week in XC. Their 800m time might have improved more than Hunter's, but they never built the same aerobic conditioning and stamina as Hunter.
Hunter's 800m time was better than his 1600 as freshman, but a lot worse than his 1600 time as sophomore - this is a direct result of the training that Tinman prescribes. He did become an aerobic monster tho with endless stamina and was destroying all aerobic races, the mile (~80% aerobic at 4:10 speed), 3k and XC.
You make is sound like Drew is a "once in a decade" natural talent which couldn't be further from the truth. There are tens of thousands of parents who were both runners. Drew IS highly talented, but to say that there is only one Drew Hunter every 5 years is simply wrong. Tinman said there are 10-15 each year, with maybe 2-3 being trained correctly. Grant Fisher, Justyn Knight, etc. are some of these that also got trained correctly. But there are also 10 kids who either didn't get into track/XC, or didn't receive optimal training, but had the genetic potential.
You deliberately didn't mention Drew's best performances as a freshman to make him look slow and make tinman look good. You also LIED about his PRs. He ran 4:33 in the 1600 as a freshman, but his 4:10 in the 1500 is sub 4:30 equivalent. He ran 2:03 in the 800. You are pathetic, you aren't engaging in a good faith argument. You lie and manipulate facts to prove your point.
Drew ran 9:40 in the 3200 as a freshman - a time that 98% of runners will never hit in their entire career - high school or beyond. He was also 16:30 in the 5k as a freshman after focusing on other sports and never running seriously before.
Every boy from freshman year to senior year is going to mature and develop tremendously (in terms of their body). Drew wasn't coached by Tinman until his junior year.
His father was I believe 4th in the NCAA in XC and has a 5k PR of 13:30. His mom is an age group national champion runner.
Drew Hunter has the 3rd fastest high school mile in US history. I believe he's #2 all time in the 3k. He is the DEFINITION of a once decade talent.
stand off wrote:
Drew Hunter has the 3rd fastest high school mile in US history. I believe he's #2 all time in the 3k.
While being coached by........Tinman.
Ok, so would you say that Drew is closer in popularity to Jakob or to Brandt? Because it's relative of course.
The larger issue here is that popularity is an entirely nebulous concept, that I would never use to critique someone's assertion, because I'm not an idiot. That's the first thing you jump to, because you're an idiot.
under a bridge wrote:
stand off wrote:
Drew Hunter has the 3rd fastest high school mile in US history. I believe he's #2 all time in the 3k.
While being coached by........Tinman.
But is that because of Tinman, or because of natural talent. I think that it's because of natural talent, and Tinman didn't screw it up. Which he should be commended for. He didn't turn him into a 3:57 miler by any means, in my opinion.
So did I just read a LRC thread where the commenters complained about Robert Brandt's trash talking.
The hypocrisy and irony is killer.
LRP’s reverence of Tinman sort of encapsulates why Tom rubs a lot of people the wrong way. There are TONS of great coaches that know how to incorporate LT, speedwork, hill training, etc and not just wreck their kids with constant VO2 max work. But Tinman is somewhat unique in that he decided to make up new terms — CV runs, “Tinman Tempos” — that are just stuff a lot of coaches prescribe but don’t feel the need to claim.
He is a fine coach. Definition of a do no harm coach. Nowhere near the top echelon of US distance coaches.
under a bridge wrote:
stand off wrote:
Drew Hunter has the 3rd fastest high school mile in US history. I believe he's #2 all time in the 3k.
While being coached by........Tinman.
If tinman is the best coach and Drew is a mediocre talent, why haven't any of tinman's other high school athletes even come close to the level of Drew Hunter?????
Dude, I concur. I respect TME and I don't entirely understand the contempt they inspire. They're living out their best life, or at least trying to, and that's more than a lot of us can say. I think that might be way they have so many detractors--people are put off by them and interpret their ethos as insincere.
Mr.Andy wrote:
Rob would be the top runner on a team such as NAU or BYU last track season he was 9th in the 5k at natties and 7th in the 10k at natties, maybe you should do some research first before bc now you sound like a idiot who probably can’t break 5min in the mile
You do realize that 3 BYU guys beat Brandt in the 10k at NCAAs last year, right?
Brandt wins the beef but will he be much better than any of those guys when racing starts again? I think it’s a toss up.
We can see that Brandt and Hunter are closer than Hunter and Jakob. I'm sure once Brandt turns pro he'll have a larger following.
Word on the street is that top coaches and groups don’t want to work withe Brandt. If he goes pro, it’s because his dad will be paying his bills.
L.O.LOUD wrote:
Mr.Andy wrote:
Rob would be the top runner on a team such as NAU or BYU last track season he was 9th in the 5k at natties and 7th in the 10k at natties, maybe you should do some research first before bc now you sound like a idiot who probably can’t break 5min in the mile
You do realize that 3 BYU guys beat Brandt in the 10k at NCAAs last year, right?
Here's who he lost to:
Clayton Young - 3 years older than Brandt. Lived and trained at altitude his entire life.
Gilbert Kigen - listed at 2 years older than Brandt. Born and lived at altitude most of his life.
Conner McMillan - 1 year older than Brandt. Lived and trained at altitude his entire life.
Conner Mantz - same age as Brandt. Lived and trained at altitude his entire life.
Hassan Abdi - Born and lived at altitude most of his life. listed at 3 years older than Brandt
Tyler Day - same age as Brandt. Lived and trained at altitude for 4 years in college.
Brandt - tied for the youngest in the race. No altitude training at all. Worst coach out of the bunch.
If you asked me who has the most potential out of all those people, it's CLEARLY Brandt.
I don’t think Brandt wants to go pro. Most people I know in the running scene say he’s a great guy. Can’t fault a man for being forthright. At least he’s not doing it anonymously like you guys.
stand off wrote:If tinman is the best coach and Drew is a mediocre talent, why haven't any of tinman's other high school athletes even come close to the level of Drew Hunter?????
There's only enough epo in the closet for one runner?
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
Amory wrote:
Yes, this take from Tinman was astoundingly arrogant. Anyone could tell how much raw talent Drew had when he won Penn relays in Grade 10. Just total power.
Why should we trust a random LRC user over what Tinman is saying with 30+ years of experience in exercise physiology and coaching? Since you mentioned Penn relays, where he beat senior Justyn Knight as sophomore and won the 3k in 8:16, I'll also stick to facts.
Drew Hunter as freshman ran as PRs:
800m - 2:04
1600m - 4:41
He also ran a XC race in 18:15, and improved to 15:45 on the same course one year later.
As sophomore, he ran 4:10 and 1:58. And the 8:16 3k as mentioned above.
What Tinman wants to illustrate is that each year, there is a decent number of HS kids that can run 2:04 & 4:41 as freshman, but fail to improve at the rate that Hunter did because their coaching isn't optimal. The only thing that made him take off 2.5 minutes in XC and 30s in the 1600 in 12 months of training was Tinman training, focused on CV, Tinman tempos, strides, hilly long runs, and hill reps. That's literally all he did that year. Meanwhile, other kids were hammering VO2MAX intervals, anaerobic intervals, all-out sprints, etc. Some of them got raced twice a week in XC. Their 800m time might have improved more than Hunter's, but they never built the same aerobic conditioning and stamina as Hunter.
Hunter's 800m time was better than his 1600 as freshman, but a lot worse than his 1600 time as sophomore - this is a direct result of the training that Tinman prescribes. He did become an aerobic monster tho with endless stamina and was destroying all aerobic races, the mile (~80% aerobic at 4:10 speed), 3k and XC.
You make is sound like Drew is a "once in a decade" natural talent which couldn't be further from the truth. There are tens of thousands of parents who were both runners. Drew IS highly talented, but to say that there is only one Drew Hunter every 5 years is simply wrong. Tinman said there are 10-15 each year, with maybe 2-3 being trained correctly. Grant Fisher, Justyn Knight, etc. are some of these that also got trained correctly. But there are also 10 kids who either didn't get into track/XC, or didn't receive optimal training, but had the genetic potential.
Why should we give a rats ass what some arrogant deuche bag has to say about anything. But here we are...Phil ruining another thread
Lalo Elite wrote:
We can see that Brandt and Hunter are closer than Hunter and Jakob. I'm sure once Brandt turns pro he'll have a larger following.
Word on the street is that top coaches and groups don’t want to work withe Brandt. If he goes pro, it’s because his dad will be paying his bills.
What?! You’re telling me potential sponsors aren’t excited to throw cash at a guy who is criticizing other runners for promoting their brand?!?!