Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

nonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

if we lose our democracy to the trumpists it will largely because the mainstream press has failed to try hard enough to get out the facts, and because of right wing media completely misleading tens of millions of people. MSM is just too absolutely terrified of being called biased that they let Americans think nonsense. And Fox is just propaganda.

Americans are complete know-nothings on how the economy is doing. Ignorant rubes. More americans think more jobs have been lost than gained over the past year. Rubes. Dolts. Ignoramuses.

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The U.S. unemployment rate hit 3.6 percent today, as 431,000 jobs were added during the month of March.
It’s the type of data point that should make a White House giddy. And yet, one can’t help but smell the whiff of frustration emanating from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
There is a remarkable disconnect among the American public involving the reality of the jobs market and the perception of it. A little-noticed survey by Navigator Research last month showed that 37 percent of the public thought that more jobs had been lost (yes, lost) over the last year while just 28 percent thought that they had been gained. That was particularly pronounced among Republicans, 47 percent of whom believed jobs had been lost over the last 12 months.
Needless to say, that’s wildly inaccurate: The unemployment rate was 6.4 percent when JOE BIDEN took office.

It's funny, but in disagreeing with you placing so much blame on the MSM, I'll turn your accurate portrayal of American into a different criticism of the MSM. First off, if someone paid even glancing attention to the MSM in the last 5 years, they know EXTREMELY CLEARLY that Trump and R party are huge dangers to this country. They also roughly know the pluses and minuses of the Biden administration. It's MOSTLY on the stupid Americans that you so accurately label.

However, while I understand why they don't insult their potential audience, I will also say that I've become increasingly annoyed by the MSM downplaying the culpability of Americans in SUPPORTING Trump and the Rs who go along. None of those folks would be in power if there weren't stupid Americans supporting them. But the MSM is too afraid (again, somewhat understandably) to emphasize this.....even though it's past time to do so.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

nonequals wrote:

It's funny, but in disagreeing with you placing so much blame on the MSM, I'll turn your accurate portrayal of American into a different criticism of the MSM. First off, if someone paid even glancing attention to the MSM in the last 5 years, they know EXTREMELY CLEARLY that Trump and R party are huge dangers to this country. They also roughly know the pluses and minuses of the Biden administration. It's MOSTLY on the stupid Americans that you so accurately label.

However, while I understand why they don't insult their potential audience, I will also say that I've become increasingly annoyed by the MSM downplaying the culpability of Americans in SUPPORTING Trump and the Rs who go along. None of those folks would be in power if there weren't stupid Americans supporting them. But the MSM is too afraid (again, somewhat understandably) to emphasize this.....even though it's past time to do so.

Speaking of extremist views... lol.

agip wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Quick version:

Immigration - I'd say you have no problem with the border being open because the country was built by immigrants and think more immigrants is a good thing no matter how they get here.

Taxation - You think the rich don't pay their fare share and raising taxes on the rich is always a good idea.

Government spending -You think the government's job is to solve all of societies problems and have never seen a problem you don't think government can fix if only we throw enough money at it.

Abortion - You're strongly in favor because "my body my choice" and you think conservatives only care about life until it's actually born.

Environment - You think global warming is 100% real and 100% man made and the best solution is government intervention.

wrong on a lot. Wrong on way more than I thought you would be. You seem to think everyine who votes Democrat = AOC. That's a pure example of your extremism. Clue: Sanders got beaten badly in every Dem primary. Moderates HRC and Biden won handily. Learn that.

1. No. the border is not open, the border hasn't been open for generations, and only a few democrats think the border is or should be open. So your statement is extreme! it's pure right wing propaganda with no factual backing.

2. Taxation: No. we have one of the most graduated federal income tax systems in the world and the rich pay the vast, vast majority of taxes, beyond their 'fair share.' that said, the people with $100m or more do need to be taxed more - they can afford tax dodges that are against the spirit of the tax code. Like never having to pay capital gains taxes.

3. No. Government spending. You are just being silly here. No one thinks what you are asserting. Maybe actual communists, but there are only a handful of those.

4. Abortion. I don't discuss abortion.

5. No. Environment. we can't know in terms of 100% anything but we do know that humans influence the climate and if we want to thrive we need to stop burning so many things.

So, no, you flunk. You don't understand me at all. You had near zero predictive ability. Your heavy consumption of right wing propaganda has led you to think AOC is the leader of the Dem party and Joe is just an empty suit. These are stupid things to believe.

Read some history books. Prez biographies are good. read wikipedia.

1101 wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Quick version:

Immigration - I'd say you have no problem with the border being open because the country was built by immigrants and think more immigrants is a good thing no matter how they get here.

Taxation - You think the rich don't pay their fare share and raising taxes on the rich is always a good idea.

Government spending -You think the government's job is to solve all of societies problems and have never seen a problem you don't think government can fix if only we throw enough money at it.

Abortion - You're strongly in favor because "my body my choice" and you think conservatives only care about life until it's actually born.

Environment - You think global warming is 100% real and 100% man made and the best solution is government intervention.

Wow, I am impressed at how spectacularly wrong you got most of those.

Agip obviously can speak for himself on these (or anything else), but anyone who has been paying ANY attention would know that you are spectacularly wrong on the first three.

1101 wrote:

agip wrote:

wrong on a lot. Wrong on way more than I thought you would be. You seem to think everyine who votes Democrat = AOC. That's a pure example of your extremism. Clue: Sanders got beaten badly in every Dem primary. Moderates HRC and Biden won handily. Learn that.

1. No. the border is not open, the border hasn't been open for generations, and only a few democrats think the border is or should be open. So your statement is extreme! it's pure right wing propaganda with no factual backing.

2. Taxation: No. we have one of the most graduated federal income tax systems in the world and the rich pay the vast, vast majority of taxes, beyond their 'fair share.' that said, the people with $100m or more do need to be taxed more - they can afford tax dodges that are against the spirit of the tax code. Like never having to pay capital gains taxes.

3. No. Government spending. You are just being silly here. No one thinks what you are asserting. Maybe actual communists, but there are only a handful of those.

4. Abortion. I don't discuss abortion.

5. No. Environment. we can't know in terms of 100% anything but we do know that humans influence the climate and if we want to thrive we need to stop burning so many things.

So, no, you flunk. You don't understand me at all. You had near zero predictive ability. Your heavy consumption of right wing propaganda has led you to think AOC is the leader of the Dem party and Joe is just an empty suit. These are stupid things to believe.

Read some history books. Prez biographies are good. read wikipedia.

+1

This, in a nutshell, illustrates the problem. Trumpettes live in an alternate universe, unattached to reality. As I said earlier, it would be quite clear to anyone paying any attention at all that The (ahem) "Adult" missed by a country mile on his assessment of agip's positions. But . . .

1) Reality does not matter

2) Anyone who is not a Trumpette is scary and should be assigned absurd positions because ... reality does not matter

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

1101 wrote:

+1

This, in a nutshell, illustrates the problem. Trumpettes live in an alternate universe, unattached to reality. As I said earlier, it would be quite clear to anyone paying any attention at all that The (ahem) "Adult" missed by a country mile on his assessment of agip's positions. But . . .

1) Reality does not matter

2) Anyone who is not a Trumpette is scary and should be assigned absurd positions because ... reality does not matter

I don't think this is illustrating what you think it's illustrating.

I made 5 assumptions.

1. He claims the border isn't open and that illegal immigration isn't a problem and is just propaganda. That supports my assumption.

2. He denies wanting to tax the rich more and then lays out why he wants to tax the rich more. That supports my assumption.

3. He obfuscated and didn't even address this.

4. He refused to address.

5. "we do know that humans influence the climate and if we want to thrive we need to stop burning so many things." This supports my assumption.

Reality is clearly subjective these days as you and agip are happy to pretend any fact you don't like simply doesn't exist.

You can say I didn't nail his positions 100% accurately but I was in the ball park on all of them while he refused to even take a stab at mine despite claiming to know exactly what I read and what I think.