How is Niwot ahead of Riverton if Riverton beat them head to head?
Milesplit is not respected at all when it comes to rankings. They are unserious in that respect.
That is ridiculous. Riverton finished 3rd behind the top 2 ranked teams in the country and they're down at 23rd???? I imagine the committee will rightfully select Riverton. Niwot is probably on the bubble and it could easily go either way for them.
They have CDA at 6 and Crater at 10, but Franklin isn't top 25 despite being only 24 points back from CDA and 19 points back from Crater.
Meanwhile, Downers Grove North is 8th and 51 points ahead of Plainfield North, who is ranked 12th, and 52 points ahead of Plainfeld South, who is 17th.
It's not just points, though. CDA averaged 15:45. Crater averaged 15:43. Franklin averaged 15:50, and Rocky averaged 15:49.
Rocky averaged as close to the #6 team on time and ran closer to the #6 team on points than Plainfield South did to the #8 team. Franklin was 1 second slower on average compared to the #6 team than Plainfield South was to the #8 team, but ran closer on points to two teams inside the top 10.
Niwot got blown tf out and wasn't even close to Riverton. How is Riverton not a top 10 team if they run that close to #1 and #3 on the Milesplit rankings? How is Niwot even close to them, much less ahead, if Riverton beats them 67 points and 15 seconds on average time? On average time, Niwot was as close to 12th place as they were to Riverton.
what people don't realize is that Jesuit La team already confirmed on their thread after nxr south that the west teams were on another level. Jesuit La almost beat Plainsfield South, Carmel, and a few of these teams at Runninglane / Nike Town Twilight
Riverton should be ranked ahead of Niwot, but don't knock Niwot.
Niwot had an off day at NXR. However, Niwot's 5th was well ahead ahead of everyone else's 5th runner besides Herriman and AF. What they lacked at NXR was another front runner. They had a few kids who have run 180 & 181 speed ratings this season who had an off day and ran 174 and 171 on Saturday. Their 2nd runner from state didn't score at regionals. If he had run an average day it would have lowered their score by 50+ points. The fitness is there, but it wasn't their day.
Riverton ran a great race and they deserve a good ranking. They should be ahead of Niwot, but Niwot should be ranked well, too. The Southwest is incredibly strong.
Also, can someone tell me why Brookline is ranked so high? Is it because of their Hoka Postal Nationals 9:30 team average? If so, is anyone else aware that Niwot ran a 2 mile race on 11/8 at the TEAM Boss Colorado + 2 Mile For Real and ran an (altitude adjusted) team team average of 9:20?
If Riverton repeats their performance from NXR, Utah could go 1-2-3 at NXN. Their performance is way underrated in those rankings. Course conditions were brutal with the mud. Riverton's 5-man average was faster than Herriman!
the way things are looking it could be 2 NE, 2 MW. When it should be 2 SW, 1 S, 1 NW, 1 CA
To clarify, Rich Gonzalez and his NXN team don't look at any of these rankings. Last year Rocky Mountain was ranked 5-10 the entire season and SW/CA teams couldn't break in the top 20. NXN committee chose 2 CA 1 SW over Rocky Mountain. So people shouldn't take them too seriously (I was joking in the post above).
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If Riverton repeats their performance from NXR, Utah could go 1-2-3 at NXN. Their performance is way underrated in those rankings. Course conditions were brutal with the mud. Riverton's 5-man average was faster than Herriman!
Southeast could arguably have the first or second hardest course though so it makes their speed ratings slower.
oh please. Southeast has low speed ratings when compared to Northeast/Midwest/Heartland. But they are the last region that should be complaining about speed ratings when you compare to some regions in the west.
Southeast could arguably have the first or second hardest course though so it makes their speed ratings slower.
oh please. Southeast has low speed ratings when compared to Northeast/Midwest/Heartland. But they are the last region that should be complaining about speed ratings when you compare to some regions in the west.
nxn will show the full picture of just how good everyone really was. I am just waiting for that to do all the talking for our texas teams.
southeast needs to wake up... the northeast has courses 10-15x harder than southeast and their speed rankings are the highest in the nation... a true disgrace.
Agreed. Northeast has it the hardest with the courses. Southeast would average like 16:35 whereas northeast teams typically (depending on the day/conditions/weather) would average below 16:00. They need to stop complaining that their speedratings are low and suck it up.
Things have changed though, and you have to at least take that into consideration before crowning teams.
In 2008 North Central won NXN and was ranked #1 all season..they averaged 15:48 at Eagle Island for NXR. Now 15:48ish doesn't even qualify you to NXN (Crater and CDA averaged 15:43/15:45 this year and neither team will win NXN or be close). So while I respect CBA's 15:51 average at Holmdel...it could just mean they are a great team that is going to finish 3rd-5th in this new era, but certainly would've destroyed all teams in 2008-2013.
The teams are stronger than they were 10 years ago, so comparing team averages to a 2013 team isn't very relevant. Especially with the advancement in footwear.
Back to Southwest. The Southwest region is much stronger than it was last year. The course was agruably slower this year (it was a mudfest) than it was last year, yet the times overall were much faster. Herriman and American Fork will show this at NXN. They are both much better than they were last year when they placed 3rd and 5th.
If you plug in the 2023 team times of Riverton and Niwot into 2022 NXR SW race, Riverton would have scored around 116 pts and Niwot would be around 172. This is better than last year's 3rd place team score of 192. Both Riverton and Niwot are better than last year's 3rd team. Riverton would have only been 3 points off 1st place (113) and would have been well ahead of Herriman's 152 pts. Riverton's performance at NXR is equivalant or better than 2022 Herriman and American Fork. Southwest should get 2 at larges.
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