Literally no one cares about you or your made up life story. The Russians are committing massive war crimes, including possible genocide. Those people's "equal rights" are the ones I care about, not some Putin bot trying to distract from war crimes.
Stop your feminine whining. Your blubbering on here has gotten obnoxious. Tell Pelosi, Schumer, McConnell and Biden to stop buying extra weapons and ammunition from U.S. weapon manufactures. Tell U.S. Executive Branch to cease sending weapons and ammunition to Ukraine. Tell U.S. to stop provoking Russia by acting as Forward Observer for Ukrainian military. Tell Zelenskyy to resign then this will all be over. Hello genius. What did you think would occur when Biden Pelosi Schumer and McConnell sent C-130s full of stingers, javelins and AT-4s to Ukraine? I told and the other Wolf Blitzer, Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon fans that Russia would match U.S. escalation with more severe artillery and bombing missions. Now you are crying about what I told you would occur.
Oh look. More whining from Cold War whiner. I told you that if Russia invaded the Ukraine, that Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and McConnell would destroy Russia's third-world economy and military all at the same time. So far, it's worked quite well. The Russian army is running from Kyiv after committing countless war crimes, looting whatever they can find, but not bothering to bring their fallen comrade's bodies home. Russia's GDP won't be in the top 20 globally next year. The Russian stock market is being propped up by artificial controls. Likewise for the ruble (a.k.a., the rubbish). Russia is going to aspire to be North Korea for the foreseeable future.
Those C-130s full of stingers, javelins, and AT-4s have proven incredibly effective at destroying Russian equipment (and the Russians that are unlucky enough to be inside). Russia can't afford to replace any of that equipment. This may become a war of attrition where the US / EU can feed the Ukrainian army an unlimited supply of cheap ATGM and equipment up to and including main battle tanks, and Russia can't replace their losses. It doesn't take a genius to see that that is a pretty bad situation for Russia to be in. Imagine what would happen to the Russian military if the US / EU actually decide to get involved? The Russian empire would consist of 3 square miles around Norilsk in northern Siberia.
You continue to blame the Ukraine for this War of Russian Aggression and suggest that Ukraine should just submit to Russian demands because Putin says so. Hello genius. It's obvious that's not going to happen, so Russia's pathetic little army should march back to Moscow and this will all be over. But, the Russian military is so incompetent I doubt they can even run away correctly.
Literally no one cares about you or your made up life story. The Russians are committing massive war crimes, including possible genocide. Those people's "equal rights" are the ones I care about, not some Putin bot trying to distract from war crimes.
There is no excuse for war crimes. Period.
There is a difference between a "war crime", which has specific definition in International Law, vs. actions found opprobrious. They are not equivalent.
It is also important to separate fact from propaganda.
We can be certain people are dead, beyond that, we have claims without much substantiation.
If you fail to do that, you're on the fast track to enabling war crimes yourself. Like posters here who, in all seriousness, have called for the extermination of 144 million people. This is from a place of anger, but the lunacy of this shows complete lack of rational thought.
Nobody likes to be wrong. But that is wrong. I replaces a pile of bodies with a mountain range of bodies.
Selective Bias in Western MSM gives a Megaphone on "11" to Ukraine claims with nary a fact check, while the converse is true with regard to Russian claims.
The Russians have their Propaganda, and the West and Ukraine does to. When was the last time you saw a count on Ukraine military casualties? They are few and far between, and those that exist strain belief.
Public Opinion is a force which is shaped for gain of others. The rich and powerful have been lobbying and buying and controlling news outlets for this purpose for as long as there have been assemblies and language.
Both sides in this conflict have been committing horrible acts.
You can be 100% certain some of the dead in Bucha (and elsewhere), who look to have been recently executed judging from the state of the bodies, were shot by the Ukraine side for being "Russian Collaborators" - and the death then held up as an example of Russian genocide.
Not offered as excuse for any death, even one being too much, but it is not as black and white as you're told - or want to believe.
You state that we can be sure only that there is a pile of bodies, but beyond that just claims without substantiation. That is a nice attempt to steer people away from making judgements about the likely culprit.
But then you go on to make unsubstantiated claims about both sides 'committing horrible acts' and Ukrainian executions of the dead in Bucha. That disconnect leads me to a conclusion substantiated by you post, you are an apologist for the Russian side and what you say should be dismissed.
The people committing genocide don't get to decide the definition.
Well, it was you who posted the definition, couple of posts ago. Now it is not good enough for you. Who do you think should decide the definition? Moronic "public opinion", maybe? Presuming you are from USA, you should really keep quiet about "people committing genocide".
As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day. Every event is the result of many prior events.
4 year-olds think they understand things they do not.
This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm.
It's amazing you and others are struggling with that.
Both sides are killing civilians.
A claim for which there is no evidence.
Though we can agree Russians are killing more.
Yes, by more you likely mean many orders of magnitude more.
As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day.
If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked? Or are you just a thug with anger management issues? How exactly did Ukraine provoke anybody? By electing someone who campaigned on an anti-war platform and who may have leaned more towards Europe than Russia?
"Every event is the result of many prior events."
What profound insight! You can come up with a thousand reasons why Russia was somehow justified in invading Ukraine, but anybody with more than 3 functioning brain cells can see that they're all BS excuses. Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin is an authoritarian bully who thought he could get away with it.
This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm.
Here's a hint. The side committing genocide is the evil one. The side that bombed a theater full of civilians is the evil one. The side shooting thermobaric rockets is the evil one. The side that used chemical weapons in Syria is the evil one. The side that arrested more than 10,000 of their own citizens for protesting The War of Russian Aggression is the evil one. The side that bombed four of their own apartment buildings killing more than 300 people is the evil one. But Ukraine talked about joining NATO, so they're also evil.
It is amazing that you and others are struggling with that.
"Both sides are killing civilians." A claim for which there is no evidence.
It is ludicrous to suggest the Ukraine side has killed zero civilians in the current conflict or leading up to it.
This shows a lack of objectivity and lack of effort to understand events.
"As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day." If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked?
"Unprovoked" here is not use of apologetic quotes, but referencing a term used by someone else.
You're arguing against your own analogy.
Stating that events have causes, and are sometimes caused, does not argue for extreme or disproportionate response.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
"This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm." Here's a hint...
So the world really is purely divided into Good and Evil?
Yes, by more you likely mean many orders of magnitude more.
If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked? Or are you just a thug with anger management issues? How exactly did Ukraine provoke anybody? By electing someone who campaigned on an anti-war platform and who may have leaned more towards Europe than Russia?
What profound insight! You can come up with a thousand reasons why Russia was somehow justified in invading Ukraine, but anybody with more than 3 functioning brain cells can see that they're all BS excuses. Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin is an authoritarian bully who thought he could get away with it.
Here's a hint. The side committing genocide is the evil one. The side that bombed a theater full of civilians is the evil one. The side shooting thermobaric rockets is the evil one. The side that used chemical weapons in Syria is the evil one. The side that arrested more than 10,000 of their own citizens for protesting The War of Russian Aggression is the evil one. The side that bombed four of their own apartment buildings killing more than 300 people is the evil one. But Ukraine talked about joining NATO, so they're also evil.
It is amazing that you and others are struggling with that.
"Both sides are killing civilians." A claim for which there is no evidence.
It is ludicrous to suggest the Ukraine side has killed zero civilians in the current conflict or leading up to it.
This shows a lack of objectivity and lack of effort to understand events.
"As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day." If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked?
"Unprovoked" here is not use of apologetic quotes, but referencing a term used by someone else.
You're arguing against your own analogy.
Stating that events have causes, and are sometimes caused, does not argue for extreme or disproportionate response.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
"This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm." Here's a hint...
So the world really is purely divided into Good and Evil?
Are you 100% evil or 100% good? Which is it?
Your comments are too well thought out, too intelligent, to waste on these true believers
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It pains me to say that my guess at the reason for this war is true. Putin wanted genocide of Ukrainian nation and people. And now we see it. The mass killing of innocent civilians is standard MO for Russian military. (see Chechnya) We can entirely put to rest any of the ridiculous propaganda that Putin apologists on this board were posting like this war is about eliminating Nazi's, corruption in Ukraine, Liberating Russian speaking Ukrainians, defensive concern about Nato, or Biden provoking him. All of it was garbage and you should have never been so gullible.
Putin will continue to slaughter innocent people in days ahead.
remember always that 'realists' like Adult think we should not help UKR fight the Russians. Now we know the Russians brought tens of thousands of body bags, shelled residential areas and are now executing civilians and placing their dead bodies in front of houses as a warning.
There are no more questions about Russia's plan: it is to kill as many Ukrainians as it takes to make the country join russia.
And 'realists' like adult think we should agree to that deal and not fight back. because you know spheres of influence are totally appropriate and unavoidable when there are great powers involved. Sorry, Ukrainians.
I still think the west caused the war. I still think a stronger leader in the west would have prevented this. I still think Russia believes it's invasion was justified.
However, seeing children executed with their hands behind their backs is worse than a war crime. That's abhorrent even for Russians.
My heart wants to send in the Air Force today and show the Russians what a real military can do.
My brain says Ukraine isn't worth risking nuclear war over.
"We" aren't fighting back. The west is sending weapons and doing little else to stop the fighting. The west is still buying Russian energy. The sanctions are doing nothing and the ruble has pretty much already recovered. Putin has painted himself into a corner and he want stop until he wins, he's killed, or his entire military is destroyed.
Just checking in to see how the usual suspects are defending execution style killing of civilians and systematic raping of women. I see they are going with the typical denial route. I half expected them to blame NATO for causing the Russian army to do these things.
There is a difference between a "war crime", which has specific definition in International Law, vs. actions found opprobrious. They are not equivalent.
It is also important to separate fact from propaganda.
We can be certain people are dead, beyond that, we have claims without much substantiation.
If you fail to do that, you're on the fast track to enabling war crimes yourself. Like posters here who, in all seriousness, have called for the extermination of 144 million people. This is from a place of anger, but the lunacy of this shows complete lack of rational thought.
Nobody likes to be wrong. But that is wrong. I replaces a pile of bodies with a mountain range of bodies.
Selective Bias in Western MSM gives a Megaphone on "11" to Ukraine claims with nary a fact check, while the converse is true with regard to Russian claims.
The Russians have their Propaganda, and the West and Ukraine does to. When was the last time you saw a count on Ukraine military casualties? They are few and far between, and those that exist strain belief.
Public Opinion is a force which is shaped for gain of others. The rich and powerful have been lobbying and buying and controlling news outlets for this purpose for as long as there have been assemblies and language.
Both sides in this conflict have been committing horrible acts.
You can be 100% certain some of the dead in Bucha (and elsewhere), who look to have been recently executed judging from the state of the bodies, were shot by the Ukraine side for being "Russian Collaborators" - and the death then held up as an example of Russian genocide.
Not offered as excuse for any death, even one being too much, but it is not as black and white as you're told - or want to believe.
You state that we can be sure only that there is a pile of bodies, but beyond that just claims without substantiation. That is a nice attempt to steer people away from making judgements about the likely culprit.
But then you go on to make unsubstantiated claims about both sides 'committing horrible acts' and Ukrainian executions of the dead in Bucha. That disconnect leads me to a conclusion substantiated by you post, you are an apologist for the Russian side and what you say should be dismissed.
"You state that we can be sure only that there is a pile of bodies, but beyond that just claims without substantiation."
Stated no such thing.
"That is a nice attempt to steer people away from making judgements about the likely culprit.
We all make typos and are victims of auto-correct, but you have stated you write for a living and work in the legal field, so it's hard not to pass judgment on this sentence.
I have not excused the Russian side for civilian casualties. This is an incorrect supposition regarding intent.
What was suggested is circumstances of civilian deaths are largely guesswork. And that claims from both sides are subject to exaggeration in self-interest. My guess is Russians caused most civilian casualties in Bucha. But not all. I have also seen no evidence civilian deaths in Bucha were largely or even specifically intentional. Or even that they're all civilians. How many were actually combatants?
At least one dead person is reported to have had hands bound. This suggests execution. But not necessarily. Was a prisoner hit in cross fire while being moved? Were hands tied post-mortem? Was the person killed a Russian or Russian collaborator? Was the death unrelated to the conflict? The fog of war is also used to settle scores.
Whatever probabilities you assign, there is more than one possibility.
It's simplistic and wrong to state "Russians are evil so every death must be premeditated murder."
"...leads me to a conclusion substantiated by you post, you are an apologist for the Russian side and what you say should be dismissed."
This is a variant of "you're with us or you're against us".
I can be neither.
Let's say you are an apologist for the Ukraine side. Does it follow that "what you say should be dismissed" ?
Whatever your sympathies, or lack of them, if you're correct, then you are.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
Yes, and none of those events justified Russia invading Ukraine (Russia and Putin sympathizers may disagree). That doesn't make them completely immaterial, but pretty close to it. That's also why people see them as excuses that Putin is using to justify his aggression, not reasons why an invasion was warranted, and why Russia is being portrayed as evil.
Yes or no. Russia was justified in invading the Ukraine?
Just checking in to see how the usual suspects are defending execution style killing of civilians and systematic raping of women. I see they are going with the typical denial route. I half expected them to blame NATO for causing the Russian army to do these things.
Don't you recognize war propaganda when you see it?
We have seen plenty of it the past 20 years.
From Saddam is throwing babies out of incubators onto hospital floors, to WMDs, to Assas is gassing his own people and on and on and on.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
Yes, and none of those events justified Russia invading Ukraine (Russia and Putin sympathizers may disagree). That doesn't make them completely immaterial, but pretty close to it. That's also why people see them as excuses that Putin is using to justify his aggression, not reasons why an invasion was warranted, and why Russia is being portrayed as evil.
Yes or no. Russia was justified in invading the Ukraine?
Logical fallacy of "false dilemma".
The world is not black and white. It is not good and evil. Not Us vs. Them.
Just checking in to see how the usual suspects are defending execution style killing of civilians and systematic raping of women. I see they are going with the typical denial route. I half expected them to blame NATO for causing the Russian army to do these things.
Don't you recognize war propaganda when you see it?
We have seen plenty of it the past 20 years.
From Saddam is throwing babies out of incubators onto hospital floors, to WMDs, to Assas is gassing his own people and on and on and on.
You should be able to see through it by now.
Bro you think everything is propaganda. Always. Main steam media blah blah blah. It is amazing you can function in life at all without being able to ever know anything really. You probably subsist on tide pods.
Yes, by more you likely mean many orders of magnitude more.
If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked? Or are you just a thug with anger management issues? How exactly did Ukraine provoke anybody? By electing someone who campaigned on an anti-war platform and who may have leaned more towards Europe than Russia?
What profound insight! You can come up with a thousand reasons why Russia was somehow justified in invading Ukraine, but anybody with more than 3 functioning brain cells can see that they're all BS excuses. Russia invaded Ukraine because Putin is an authoritarian bully who thought he could get away with it.
Here's a hint. The side committing genocide is the evil one. The side that bombed a theater full of civilians is the evil one. The side shooting thermobaric rockets is the evil one. The side that used chemical weapons in Syria is the evil one. The side that arrested more than 10,000 of their own citizens for protesting The War of Russian Aggression is the evil one. The side that bombed four of their own apartment buildings killing more than 300 people is the evil one. But Ukraine talked about joining NATO, so they're also evil.
It is amazing that you and others are struggling with that.
"Both sides are killing civilians." A claim for which there is no evidence.
It is ludicrous to suggest the Ukraine side has killed zero civilians in the current conflict or leading up to it.
This shows a lack of objectivity and lack of effort to understand events.
"As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day." If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked?
"Unprovoked" here is not use of apologetic quotes, but referencing a term used by someone else.
You're arguing against your own analogy.
Stating that events have causes, and are sometimes caused, does not argue for extreme or disproportionate response.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
"This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm." Here's a hint...
So the world really is purely divided into Good and Evil?
Are you 100% evil or 100% good? Which is it?
Hey Ernest:
VIDEO: Satellite imagery obtained by the @nytimes shows bodies of civilians had been lying on the ground in Bucha since at least March 11, countering Russian claims that the killings were carried out or staged by Ukrainian forces.pic.twitter.com/FaAIjaTrCm
Yes, and none of those events justified Russia invading Ukraine (Russia and Putin sympathizers may disagree). That doesn't make them completely immaterial, but pretty close to it. That's also why people see them as excuses that Putin is using to justify his aggression, not reasons why an invasion was warranted, and why Russia is being portrayed as evil.
Yes or no. Russia was justified in invading the Ukraine?
Logical fallacy of "false dilemma".
The world is not black and white. It is not good and evil. Not Us vs. Them.
And the answer is not "Yes" or "No".
Ok, try this one:
Yes or no: Do you believe that Russia was justified in invading the Ukraine?
"As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day." If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked?
"Unprovoked" here is not use of apologetic quotes, but referencing a term used by someone else.
You're arguing against your own analogy.
Stating that events have causes, and are sometimes caused, does not argue for extreme or disproportionate response.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
"This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm." Here's a hint...
So the world really is purely divided into Good and Evil?
Ernest isn't 100% certain that Ukrainians haven't invented time travel and gone back in time to place the bodies of civilians that were killed in the future.
"As to "unprovoked", you can debate cause and effect all day." If I call you an idiot and you shoot me in the face, were you provoked?
"Unprovoked" here is not use of apologetic quotes, but referencing a term used by someone else.
You're arguing against your own analogy.
Stating that events have causes, and are sometimes caused, does not argue for extreme or disproportionate response.
""Every event is the result of many prior events." What profound insight!
Events in the Ukraine did not spontaneously occur without context. It is a symptom of a decades-long simmering East-West conflict, ongoing economic and hegemonic interplay, and countless other factors.
That insight is not "profound", it's obvious. Or ought to be.
"This conflict (and nearly everything) is not distilled into a simple good-vs-evil paradigm." Here's a hint...
So the world really is purely divided into Good and Evil?
Give him a minute, just as soon as Sergey Lavrov makes up a suitable lie to explain away this latest evidence rest assured that "Ernest" and the rest of the troll farm crew will be back here to parrot it word for word.
