"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

playing the odds wrote:

They have a weird sense of freedom. They think that they are defending individual freedom but to be part of a civilization people do give up or suppress certain freedoms. With rights comes responsibilities in a civil society. They talk about a lot rights and not so much about responsivities.

This is at the core of the anti-vaxxer paradox. They are all freedom champions and want their right to do what they want, when and how they want to do it. Except, watch what happens when their neighbor expresses the exact same freedoms they claim they want.

Here's an example. What if one of these anti-vaxxers live beside someone who loves to play music loud until 3am in the morning. Or, shoot fireworks in their backyard and random times during the week. You think they go "that's ok, they are free do what they want?" Of course not.

To use a more connected example, the same people who want the "freedom" to choose whether or not to vaccinate or wear a mask are the same people who complain when a business uses their freedom to deny them service. You want the right not wear a mask, your local grocery store also has the right to throw you out if you refuse to follow their rules.

Oh, and the most impressive part about all of this? Like some dummy who said he just "worries about himself, and not about others" THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU, ITS ACTUALLY ABOUT OTHERS. Getting the vaccine and masking is about protecting the people you live with, the people in your community,

But, anyway. These dummies are too far gone to be turned. So, mandate on Biden. Mandate on.......

oh pIease wrote:

This is the Pandemic of the Gain of function research.

Harambe is deliberately distorting the science.

Even supposing the virus was artificially created, it's not clear how that would change mitigation strategies now that it's in the wild.

Certainly there would be international political implications, but the epidemiology is the same.

"The pandemic of greedy and irresponsible virologists" CONFIRMED!!!!

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

oh pIease wrote:

This is the Pandemic of the Gain of function research.

Harambe is deliberately distorting the science.

Even supposing the virus was artificially created, it's not clear how that would change mitigation strategies now that it's in the wild.

Certainly there would be international political implications, but the epidemiology is the same.

Why is it the same? DO modified viruses behave the same in the wild? Do we even have enough data to make such an assessment? No, no we don't....hopefully.

If you are pushing for a mandate, you are a vax-murderer.

The Clown Show wrote:

Getting the vaccine and masking is about protecting the people you live with, the people in your community.

Your entire post is based on a false premise. How hard is it to you understand that there is no evidence that doing either of these things protects anyone around you. Did you not see the recent study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated? Have you not see the several studies that showed that natural immunity was MUCH better than getting the vaccine? Have you not seen the studies that show that masking has no effect whatsoever on the spreading of covid? Get your head out of your ass and do some research before you post again.

The gains, if any at all, from public masking and mass vaccination are minimal and not yet proven to even exist and your statements are without consideration of all of the down sides. Your comparisons are also very poor and unrelated. Clearly someone blasting music is affecting their neighbors; someone not getting vaccinated is not affecting their vaxxed neighbor unless that neighbor is obsessively crazy. Unvaxed people are not a threat to vaxed people, this is just dumb dumb group think that is to the point of being almost vile in nature.

The 10 states with the lowest vaccination rates, where under 45% of residents are fully vaccinated, averaged more than 7.39 deaths per capita each day. The 10 states with the highest vaccination rates, where more than 62% of residents are vaccinated, averaged about 1.89 deaths per capita.

Why doesn't Rojo start a thread on this?

bare knuckles. wrote:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80126549

The 10 states with the lowest vaccination rates, where under 45% of residents are fully vaccinated, averaged more than 7.39 deaths per capita each day. The 10 states with the highest vaccination rates, where more than 62% of residents are vaccinated, averaged about 1.89 deaths per capita.

Why doesn't Rojo start a thread on this?

Why don't you list those states with the numbers and not use averages which include outliers. Then include in your list the percentage of each population that is elderly (older than 60).

bare knuckles. wrote:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80126549

The 10 states with the lowest vaccination rates, where under 45% of residents are fully vaccinated, averaged more than 7.39 deaths per capita each day. The 10 states with the highest vaccination rates, where more than 62% of residents are vaccinated, averaged about 1.89 deaths per capita.

Why doesn't Rojo start a thread on this?

You won't see a single one of these antivaxxers address this in any meaningful way. The best they will come up with is "the numbers are fake."

The Clown Show wrote:

bare knuckles. wrote:

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80126549

The 10 states with the lowest vaccination rates, where under 45% of residents are fully vaccinated, averaged more than 7.39 deaths per capita each day. The 10 states with the highest vaccination rates, where more than 62% of residents are vaccinated, averaged about 1.89 deaths per capita.

Why doesn't Rojo start a thread on this?

You won't see a single one of these antivaxxers address this in any meaningful way. The best they will come up with is "the numbers are fake."

Yup it’s all deflect deflect deflect and move the goalposts.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

The gains, if any at all, from public masking and mass vaccination are minimal and not yet proven to even exist and your statements are without consideration of all of the down sides. Your comparisons are also very poor and unrelated. Clearly someone blasting music is affecting their neighbors; someone not getting vaccinated is not affecting their vaxxed neighbor unless that neighbor is obsessively crazy. Unvaxed people are not a threat to vaxed people, this is just dumb dumb group think that is to the point of being almost vile in nature.

Boxed yourself in.

Let's just assume your premise is correct. Being vaccinated and masking does absolutely nothing for others. So it's really again down to personal choice and if someone wants to risk getting COVID that's on them and it affects only them. So what's it to me, if you catch it and die. Right? Except when my loved one who is ill right now needs to go the hospital for treatment she can't be seen right away because the entire ICU is filled with COVID patients (who are overwhelming unvaccinated). YOUR decision not be vaccinated absolutely has an impact on your community because resources that could be used on others are not.

No matter how you cut it, your decision not to be vaccinated puts your community at risk. Therefore, unvaxed are a threat to the community.

Tick Tick Tick.

well actually wrote:

The Clown Show wrote:

Getting the vaccine and masking is about protecting the people you live with, the people in your community.

Your entire post is based on a false premise. How hard is it to you understand that there is no evidence that doing either of these things protects anyone around you. Did you not see the recent study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated? Have you not see the several studies that showed that natural immunity was MUCH better than getting the vaccine? Have you not seen the studies that show that masking has no effect whatsoever on the spreading of covid? Get your head out of your ass and do some research before you post again.

See my post above.

Not a single one of the studies you are referring to are peer reviewed. NOT ONE.

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

Even supposing the virus was artificially created, it's not clear how that would change mitigation strategies now that it's in the wild.

Certainly there would be international political implications, but the epidemiology is the same.

Why is it the same? DO modified viruses behave the same in the wild? Do we even have enough data to make such an assessment? No, no we don't....hopefully.

So we should do nothing? Just because it might be engineered?

Stopping the virus from spreading and killing people with vaccines and NPIs seems like a good idea no matter what

The Clown Show wrote:

well actually wrote:

Your entire post is based on a false premise. How hard is it to you understand that there is no evidence that doing either of these things protects anyone around you. Did you not see the recent study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated? Have you not see the several studies that showed that natural immunity was MUCH better than getting the vaccine? Have you not seen the studies that show that masking has no effect whatsoever on the spreading of covid? Get your head out of your ass and do some research before you post again.

See my post above.

Not a single one of the studies you are referring to are peer reviewed. NOT ONE.

Several of the studies are peer reviewed. The only study that is still being peer reviewed is the study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated. Also, the burden of proof is on you to show that being vaccinated and masking has a positive effect and not a negative effect to those around you.

The Clown Show wrote:

well actually wrote:

Your entire post is based on a false premise. How hard is it to you understand that there is no evidence that doing either of these things protects anyone around you. Did you not see the recent study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated? Have you not see the several studies that showed that natural immunity was MUCH better than getting the vaccine? Have you not seen the studies that show that masking has no effect whatsoever on the spreading of covid? Get your head out of your ass and do some research before you post again.

See my post above.

Not a single one of the studies you are referring to are peer reviewed. NOT ONE.

The study he referenced just looked at viral load too. And it was very similar between vaxxed and unvaxxed positives. Nothing new for Delta. It didn’t look at viral dynamics or transmission at.

Focusing on one study that had an n<20 and ignoring the millions of positive data points is his entire MO. It’s truly amazing.

well actually wrote:

The Clown Show wrote:

See my post above.

Not a single one of the studies you are referring to are peer reviewed. NOT ONE.

Several of the studies are peer reviewed. The only study that is still being peer reviewed is the study that showed that asymptomatic vaccinated are more likely to spread the virus than asymptomatic unvaccinated. Also, the burden of proof is on you to show that being vaccinated and masking has a positive effect and not a negative effect to those around you.

Please show me ANY studies that vaccination is net negative. Doesn’t even have to be well designed haha.

There are scores of strong RCTs that confirm the positives from vaccination, NPIs, etc.

2600 bro wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Why is it the same? DO modified viruses behave the same in the wild? Do we even have enough data to make such an assessment? No, no we don't....hopefully.

So we should do nothing? Just because it might be engineered?

Stopping the virus from spreading and killing people with vaccines and NPIs seems like a good idea no matter what

Sure, but you are assuming these measures are stopping something. Why should we do things we do not normally do this time and why should we assume things that are generally thought to not be helpful, masking and mass vaccination for corona viruses, are now suddenly important and necessary without any real strong proof supporting the changed paradigm. I don not believe these things will affect anything. Vaccination of the vulnerable is the only thing that will likely make a substantial difference. SO, instead of guilting young healthy people into vaccinating for no real significant reason you might think it would be better to convince hesitant vulnerable populations to protect themselves. But no, it is going to be VAX THE KIDS WITH EXPERIMENTAL VACCINES because you are crazy and stupid and paranoid. Dumb dumb dumb.